Why is erislandy lara made out to be such a great fighter on here?

[casheddie]

Because hatred and desperation towards one, creates fake love and hype for another.

[Scipio2009]

sorry to say. that's not true at all. brook had success early, but to say he was on his way to making things interesting is a false analogy of the fight.

Brook was able to take Golovkin's power (though he was wobbled on the first shot, nothing else that landed seemed to move things since) and not fold, Brook was getting into his boxing, and Brook was able to get his punches off, move in/out, and basically fire at will on Golovkin.

Give Brook his eye back, and ...

[Kigali]

destroys Rosado in 2 rounds...

...and didn't get touched....or need enswell between rounds....like GGG

[Kigali]

The only ones who say that are race bias Black guys.

Lara is garbage runner, if he were so great how come Angulo was mopping the floor with him?

The ones that say that are insecure about Black guys.

[Lester Tutor]

The only ones who say that are race bias Black guys.

Lara is garbage runner, if he were so great how come Angulo was mopping the floor with him?

How come Marquez was dropped 3 times in round 1 by Pac...so "decisive" it had to go a World Series.... why did Marquez get dropped by Katsidis, Alvarado, Bradley, Floyd...did Juan Diaz drop Marquez too? Still Marquez has never been KOd yet Lara is strategically picked as they pretend (or perhaps dont know) that Angulo has always been known as a heavy handed 154 fighter...didn't he fight Andy Lee in the Olympics?

Lara tags Golovkin...exposes Golovkin and his stock drops dramatically. It's the particular reason he got lit by Ouma... they wouldn't dare with this Southpaw doe...

[Scipio2009]

It depends on what you say by "slick"
There are two different types of slick styles, one is a pot shotter where the jab is consistent and two is where the south paw stance where they circle around the ring and solely depend on the straight left hand yet not enough jabs to keep a fighter off, Floyd is the former and the thing about Lara is he is the latter.

If we go by the Triangle Theory stylistic wise, It is always Pressure Fighter>Slick Boxer, Brawler>Pressure Fighter, Slick Boxer>Brawlers, Pressure fighters know how to cut of the ring and counter a slick boxer trying to pivot out of the way like we saw against GGG on Monroe, even though monroe is only B class and a greater example is Maidana against gloyd where Floyd is A+ But Maidana is B where Maidana catches floyd with left hooks on the face and body from time to time as Floyd tried to pivot out from the corner, we can see how slick boxers tend get the wrong end against Pressure fighters but is great against Brawlers, for they rely fighters who opens up too much which brawlers are, while Brawlers absolutely eats pressure fighters for eating them up in exchanges as the pressure fighters are trying to go forward.

While Pressure fighters rely on slow work rate from boxers to do their job, cutting off the ring and picking there shots, and Lara is the epitome of this Slow work rate boxer. Lara has low work rate, and has a good jab but not great, but has a stinging straight left hand. And he Lara every time he tries to use the straight left he always drops his right hand which would be suicidal against Golovkin, because he would be eating left hooks like we saw he he dropped his right hand against Angulo which Angulo captizalizes.
So in that matter stylistically Golovkin has the advantages.

The point that you're seemingly willfully ignoring is that Golovkin does near no actual work when he gets on the inside; Golovkin stalks, cuts off the ring, works to get his opponents into any kind of panic that sets their feet, and works to solely get his shots off from that midrange (exploding with his hooks/crooked shots, yet working to not fall in).

Lara's not going to get hit with most of that, and that's pretty obvious.

Angulo was able to have the success that he had because 1)Virgil Hunter got him as ready as he could get him to get through the fight and 2)he believed, in his mind and heart, that keeping the pressure and getting to the inside were his keys to winning the fight.

Angulo "went through the bad neighborhood", got to the body, and committed his everything to keeping his hands going and firing his shots on the inside, landing wherever it was legal to land; Lara makes a mistake, while weathering fire on the inside, and the double left hook (body/head) gets through.

Golovkin's never fought a fight like Angulo in his life

[New England]

becuase people get their pantaloons in a knot when you talk about gennady golovkin.


is lara a bad fighter?

no

do lara's people have any intention of taking the fight?
watch luis decubas talk about it and tell me with a straight face that they want the fight.

[New England]

The point that you're seemingly willfully ignoring is that Golovkin does near no actual work when he gets on the inside; Golovkin stalks, cuts off the ring, works to get his opponents into any kind of panic that sets their feet, and works to solely get his shots off from that midrange (exploding with his hooks/crooked shots, yet working to not fall in).

Lara's not going to get hit with most of that, and that's pretty obvious.

Angulo was able to have the success that he had because 1)Virgil Hunter got him as ready as he could get him to get through the fight and 2)he believed, in his mind and heart, that keeping the pressure and getting to the inside were his keys to winning the fight.

Angulo "went through the bad neighborhood", got to the body, and committed his everything to keeping his hands going and firing his shots on the inside, landing wherever it was legal to land; Lara makes a mistake, while weathering fire on the inside, and the double left hook (body/head) gets through.

Golovkin's never fought a fight like Angulo in his life

yeah, had nothing to do with lara going to the ropes and standing there to be pounded on,.


with any other fighter people would point out that the angulo fight shows huge, huge flaws. for golovkin we attribute the fact that lara was on the ropes against a slow fighter with shorter arms and no jab to virgil hunter's gameplan, yo!

[LoadedWraps]

It depends on what you say by "slick"
There are two different types of slick styles, one is a pot shotter where the jab is consistent and two is where the south paw stance where they circle around the ring and solely depend on the straight left hand yet not enough jabs to keep a fighter off, Floyd is the former and the thing about Lara is he is the latter.

If we go by the Triangle Theory stylistic wise, It is always Pressure Fighter>Slick Boxer, Brawler>Pressure Fighter, Slick Boxer>Brawlers

A whole lot of your post is wrong, but I will only focus on this.

There aren't two "slick styles", slick refers to the ability and flexability of a fighter to avoid shots and counter effectively using his body motion as opposed to actual blocking and parrying.

It has less to do with punches and more with the fluidity of your body.

Triangle thories DON'T WORK IN BOXING. Not fighter against fighter, nor style against style. There definitely isn't a circle-of-life cycle of styles, because styles themselves can vary so much within disciplines, and even when two guys have the exact same style, all the other intangibles come into play - heart, courage, IQ, conditioning, experience, etc.

Not only that, but you can be a combination of: a pressure fighter and a slick fighter, and so on and so forth..

[Scipio2009]

yeah, had nothing to do with lara going to the ropes and standing there to be pounded on,.


with any other fighter people would point out that the angulo fight shows huge, huge flaws. for golovkin we attribute the fact that lara was on the ropes against a slow fighter with shorter arms and no jab to virgil hunter's gameplan, yo!

Erislandy Lara, from within moments of the opening bell, walked out of his corner, used his footwork to get into firing range, and immediately blasted Alfredo Angulo, dead on, with a straight left that set the stage for the fire that Angulo was going to have to deal with.

Angulo took the shot, seemingly registered that the shot hurt, but had the fortitude to take that, keep to the plan, and keep pressing.

Angulo took that for two rounds, fought more even in the third round, and was finally able to break through in the fourth. Lara took the shot, got back to his feet, navigated the back half of the round, and then came out and took back control of the fight in rounds 5/6, tagging Angulo with continued shots as he kept working to get back to the inside.

Lara's not a good inside fighter; he'll look to land some shots, and he'll have some success there, but his general aim is to negate your work and get back to range (where he does his best work).

Golovkin loves to stalk and cut-off the ring, but for all of his work, him not liking to fight on the inside eliminates a concern in Lara's game.