Who else can GGG fight for 10 million?

[Mr.MojoRisin']

Correct. But unless the fights do great numbers, he's not going to be paid significantly more. So a GG fight would definitely quadruple some of his overall purses that he's made.

We'll have to agree to disagree.

[Raonic]

Again, this fight is not that big.

So we agree that Golovkin needs Canelo more. That will make the difference.

It isn't us limiting GGG to 10 million. Nobody cares what the fans think anyone should be paid. Our opinion holds 0 weight. Golovkin refuses to go up in weight for anyone so there are no other big fights that can be made.

If GGG beats Jacobs (if the fight even gets made) then in my eyes he would have more bargaining power.

The WBO also will determine the bargaining power. If GGG gets the WBO then Canelo needs GGG if he doesn't and Canelo gets it well...GGG will have to settle. Canelo can make big fights if he has a belt. If he has no belt then he doesn't make ****.

Then in that case, why have the conversation that GGG is at fault if, in your own words, your opinion is complete ****? Why discuss anything then.

The point of the discussion is that the fight hasn't happened and the reason is because of the $10 million flat fee. It's completely useless to blame GGG's side because he's not accepting an offer that undermines his value. I guess if GGG offered Canelo the flat fee first, we should not have the same discussion?

[Raonic]

He still makes 3.5 mill any which way you look at it.

I know. I'm saying shouldn't mean much when it comes to determining a fair split.

[Cheek busting]

A fight with BJS or Jacobs would make Canelo nearly as much as a GGG fight. There is a greater difference between GGG's purses and the Canelo fight than there is between Canelo's purses and the GGG fight.

The Khan fight did what? 600k buys? I doubt BJS or Jacobs would do more than that. Khan brings a lot of ****** buys to the table - Jacobs, nor BJS fill a niche market like Khan does. That's why Khan has made a lot more money than guys with better careers than him.

A Cotto rematch might do 800k... Doubt it, though.

With GGG, we're talking 1.3-1.5 territory, for as long as the fight has been hyped.

It's only fair GGG gets his fair shake of what he's bringing to the table.

A boxer should be paid based on what he is bringing to the fight - mostly based on how many more asses in seats, and how many eyeballs on television sets.

Basically, the live gate would probably cover GGG's share, and all the PPV would be left for Canelo. 10 million sounds about right for the live gate - maybe give or take a few million.

[Raonic]

The "common sense" is where your bias comes in.

Yes, boxing does work that way. If you beat the biggest draw and become top dog then everyone wants to fight you. People won't fight GGG because he doesn't bring enough money. If he brought Canelo type money to the table he would have no problem getting a Saunders, Jacobs, or Eubank fight.

How much do you think Canelo will make off of this fight (rough estimate).

Lol I'm being biased by saying boxers should generally be paid by how much they are worth and that there are adjustments for things like weight/location/titles/etc? Who exactly if I'm being biased for by saying that it should apply for all fights/fighters?

I literally have to ask 2 questions. Is GGG, economically wise, worth more than $10 million to this fight? If he is, is there any other factors (weight/location/etc) that should result in GGG having to give up millions of dollars?


It gives him more exposure, sure, beating Canelo wouldn't make him a biggest draw was the point. Those Mexicans that are buying Canelo PPVs are suddenly going to buy GGG PPVs going forward.

[Raonic]

An outstanding post.

Full of logic.

It was a pleasure to read.

I guess I must be a fan boy alt.

Ha!

Richard Schaefer said the same thing I said.

I guess I am Richard Schaefer!

[Cheek busting]

anyway, I think they're just lowballing with this offer - they know it's a BS deal.

i honestly don't think Canelo is "ducking" the fight - I believe he honestly thinks he can win. And I think it's a 60/40 fight for GGG - a legit competitive fight.

i think 70/30 Canelo is about right.

[Raonic]

The Khan fight did what? 600k buys? I doubt BJS or Jacobs would do more than that. Khan brings a lot of ****** buys to the table - Jacobs, nor BJS fill a niche market like Khan does. That's why Khan has made a lot more money than guys with better careers than him.

A Cotto rematch might do 800k... Doubt it, though.

With GGG, we're talking 1.3-1.5 territory, for as long as the fight has been hyped.

It's only fair GGG gets his fair shake of what he's bringing to the table.

A boxer should be paid based on what he is bringing to the fight - mostly based on how many more asses in seats, and how many eyeballs on television sets.

Basically, the live gate would probably cover GGG's share, and all the PPV would be left for Canelo. 10 million sounds about right for the live gate - maybe give or take a few million.

I already tried that with him and he said no.

[Cheek busting]

I already tried that with him and he said no.

Heh, aye, I've followed your posts through the thread - dropping logic bomb after logic bomb.

That really is the only thing that should determine who gets what regarding PPV splits. Maybe a few percentage points here, or there if somebody is bringing a bunch of belts or something, or an undefeated record.

And it shouldn't make a difference if "oh, but GGG can only make X amount of money without Canelo! Canelo can still make X amount without GGG"! All that matters, is for that specific fight, what each boxer is bringing to the table financial wise - how much are they adding to the promotion PPV sales wise, and to an extent, live gate wise.

[Raonic]

Heh, aye, I've followed your posts through the thread - dropping logic bomb after logic bomb.

That really is the only thing that should determine who gets what regarding PPV splits. Maybe a few percentage points here, or there if somebody is bringing a bunch of belts or something, or an undefeated record.

And it shouldn't make a difference if "oh, but GGG can only make X amount of money without Canelo! Canelo can still make X amount without GGG"! All that matters, is for that specific fight, what each boxer is bringing to the table financial wise - how much are they adding to the promotion PPV sales wise, and to an extent, live gate wise.

You must be my alt then.