Joe Calzaghe- one of the greatest of all time?

[hugh grant]

yeh, and the thing is that joe was old too at that point. And hopkins had some great wins after that fight so there was plenty of life in him at that point.

Plus Kessler said JC was the best he fought. What your peers say says a lot.

An absolute beast. I'm surprised he didn't kill anyone in the ring.

JC slapping but manfredo seemed so scared to fight back?

[daggum]

trust me joe was avoided, read his autobiography many times. joe was desperate for that breakout fight when he was younger but he was seen as too risky at the time for jones etc to fight

wtf are you talking about? of course he's going to lie his ass off in his own book. you think hes going to say yeah i ducked everyone lmao. he said he wouldn't fight jones unless it was for the crown jewels wtf! he didn't want a breakout fight. there's an interview with him saying he just fights for money and only wants easy fights. his own promoter says he was scared to take risks. theres a long list of fighters he turned down. but wait a second in his book he says!

[daggum]

yeh, and the thing is that joe was old too at that point. And hopkins had some great wins after that fight so there was plenty of life in him at that point.

yeah joe was old because he refused to fight anyone for the first 9 years of his title reign. he saw hopkins as an easy fight since he was so old and it backfired and made him look like a noob with no boxing skills at all. hopkins had just lost to taylor twice so he figure this will be easy but oof he kept running into punches while windmilling wildly. that loss to hopkins completely drained his confidence. i think after the lacy and kessler wins he was starting to believe that he really was an elite fighter then hopkins happened and he lost all his confidence again like in his early career. he fought shot jones jr and looked terrible and retired without fighting any other threats.

[Prince Madison]

wtf are you talking about? of course he's going to lie his ass off in his own book. you think hes going to say yeah i ducked everyone lmao. he said he wouldn't fight jones unless it was for the crown jewels wtf! he didn't want a breakout fight. there's an interview with him saying he just fights for money and only wants easy fights. his own promoter says he was scared to take risks. theres a long list of fighters he turned down. but wait a second in his book he says!

hbo offered hopkins a lot of money earlier to fight calzaghe and he said no. Im pretty sure joe offered roy the fight in wales but roy didnt want to leave america. At the end of the day joe fought them both, beat hopkins comfortably (lederman had it 116-11 even with a knockdown). Compubox had joe landing almost double the shots hopkins did, the highest amount of shots ever landed on hopkins. And joe wiped the floor with roy jones, when they were both old

[Joe Beamish]

calzaghe had no style points. waving your arms back and forth is not punching. just read the rules. a punch has a forward and back motion, not a side to side motion. you are not allowed to hit with the inside of the glove which is what he did to generate his "hand speed" its because he wouldn't pull the punch back he just went side to side. so much easier to generate speed that way but unfortunately its not legal. his real hand speed on straight punches was quite slow.

his only good wins were kessler who was very good and lacy who has a worse resume than berto. obv he lost to hopkins as hopkins landed all the clean punches.

Reminds me of Leonard when he fought Hagler. Very slappy punches for 30 seconds of each round. Judges like it though.

[Prince Madison]

Plus Kessler said JC was the best he fought. What your peers say says a lot.



JC slapping but manfredo seemed so scared to fight back?

yeah, it does say a lot. And i agree,if joes 'slaps' were so weak, why could no fighter walk through joe?

[IronDanHamza]

21 world title defenses; 2 ranked in the top 5

Say no more.

[goblin213]

21 world title defenses; 2 ranked in the top 5

Say no more.

[Prince Madison]

[daggum]

hbo offered hopkins a lot of money earlier to fight calzaghe and he said no. Im pretty sure joe offered roy the fight in wales but roy didnt want to leave america. At the end of the day joe fought them both, beat hopkins comfortably (lederman had it 116-11 even with a knockdown). Compubox had joe landing almost double the shots hopkins did, the highest amount of shots ever landed on hopkins. And joe wiped the floor with roy jones, when they were both old

no you are wrong on everything cept the jones and roy were both old part. maybe you are new to the calzaghe wars but if you want you can go back in 2007-2009 and read the old threads. i will just summarize things for you.

calzaghe agreed to fight hopkins in the states, then later warren/calzaghe said they would only fight in wales. hopkins then asked for more money and warren/calzaghe refused to give it to hopkins so the fight was killed. warren admitted this in court under oath so im not sure how you consider that trying to fight hopkins when hopkins was p4p #1 at that point and calzaghe was completely unknown and yet he was still trying to get the fight in his hometown after initally agreeing to come to the usa.

no he never offered to fight jones in wales. he said he wouldn't fight him unless it was for all the crown jewels(aka he wouldn't fight him)

why are you quoting compubox dear god. compubox is not accurate. calzaghe was not landing punches so saying he landed 220 punches is laughable. they had a breakdown of this fight on youtube and you can clearly see he missed almost everything besides the rare punch that got threw. those numbers are complete and utter s-hite and have been proven to be wrong. hopkins landed much more and landed clean flush shots. how does a guy who can barely hit his opponent and keeps getting hit flush deserve to win a boxing match? don't be blind just to defend someone you like. you might as well say calzaghe made the fight or if calzaghe didn't come forward there wouldn't have been a fight something silly like that. quoting things that are inherentely wrong won't get you anywhere because i know what really happened. anyone who quotes compubox does not know what happened.