Name a 160 fighter in history that could beat GGG?

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  • robertzimmerman
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    #341
    Originally posted by HeadShots
    ggg beats rjj 10/10 times
    Yeah, based on the fact that Glen Johnson beat him at LHW, right?

    Who could argue against it?

    Ha!

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    • robertzimmerman
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      #342
      Originally posted by bigdramashow
      boxrecshow haha, did laugh at that one. But it seems ive ruffled a few feathers on here, upset a few people previously when i dared to suggest some of these 'legends' really werent that unbeatable, and ive done the same again. Woops!!!
      Let's get it right:

      Nobody is saying that the former greats were unbeatable.

      It's you and Headshots who's saying they couldn't have beaten GG because they lost and he hasn't.

      That's what's happening here.

      And when someone puts forward a name you're not familiar with, you scurry off to boxrec to try and shoot it down.
      Last edited by robertzimmerman; 10-17-2016, 05:53 PM.

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      • Tom Cruise
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        #343
        Originally posted by robertzimmerman
        Let's get it right:

        Nobody is saying that the former greats were unbeatable.

        It's you and Headshots who's saying they couldn't beat GG because they lost and he hasn't.

        That's what's happening here.

        And when someone puts forward a name you're not familiar with, you scurry off to boxrec to try and shoot it down.
        Nail on the head. The greats werent unbeatable. Neither is GGG.

        Its reminiscent of Floyd's 'no blueprint' from back in the day. As if an undefeated record means you cant lose.

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        • robertzimmerman
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          #344
          Originally posted by HeadShots
          numbers and facts has to be the pillars of your logic and reason. numbers and facts are more concrete than discussing intangibles. that is how women talk. you have a female mind. you think very emotionally.

          just like how when i presented facts about the Glen Johnson RJJ fight about styles. you totally went into a menstrual tantrum without any logic, facts nor reason. you just spewed a bunch of emotional excuses like you're his wife or something.


          very bizaare behavior for a man. indeed.
          Another nothing post.


          I gave you plenty of logic regarding Roy's fight with Glen Johnson.

          I also presented you with facts and asked you questions.


          Go and watch Roy at MW when he was in his early 20's.

          Go and watch him at LHW when he was in his mid 30's.

          They were different fighters altogether.


          Roy's loss to Glen has no bearing on a fantasy fight with GG at MW.

          None whatsoever.


          Glen was stronger than Roy and fights nothing like GG. He also has 75" reach.

          GG wasn't as big as Roy at MW, and the version of Roy who fought at MW, was in his prime and not faded.


          Do you understand?


          It's a completely pointless comparison.

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          • Mr.MojoRisin'
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            #345
            Bigdramashow and headshots both ducked my question multiple times.

            end thread.

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            • robertzimmerman
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              #346
              Originally posted by HeadShots
              nope i can base my opinions on facts. i prefer that and it's always more accurate. All scouting reports are #'s first. intangibles later.



              for example SSR lost to Jake Lamotta. A high volume, offensive swarmer with a granite chin. SSR CAN be smothered.



              GGG can be an offensive swarmer if he chooses with high volume and he has an iron chin. Except he's more skilled, he's taller with more reach and he punches much harder.



              This is why GGG would be a horrific heads up match for SSR.


              That is logic, reason and facts.


              you can't breakdown fighters to beat GGG because he simply hasn't come close to losing. that is why it's dishonest the other way. You would literally have to fantasize about GGG losing at this point.
              There's nothing wrong with you holding an opinion, especially if it's objective and logical.

              If you think GG would have beaten Ray, that's cool. But you have to be willing to respect other people's opinions if they are also objective and logical. But you don't do that.

              Nunn is a prime example. Someone put it to you that Nunn COULD have beaten GG. But instead of giving logical reasons as to why you don't agree, you scoffed at the notion and just noted that he'd lost to Little. You're not interested in the fact that Nunn was a slick southpaw with a huge reach advantage, you're only interested in who he lost to.

              You did the exact same thing to Toney and Eubank.

              Despite GG being unbeaten, yes, you can logically present theories of who from the past could have beaten him.

              Analysing a fighter's skill set and looking at the clash of styles, is much better than looking at results on boxrec. For example: Yes, Eubank lost to Collins when he was faded at SMW. But how does that relate to a fantasy fight with GG at MW?

              While it may be factual to note the losses of these former greats, most of the time those facts aren't really that relevant.

              Forget the likes of Roy losing to Glen Johnson at LHW, and look at the attributes that he had at MW. Kell Brook has just had GG's head bouncing all over the place at times, even though he wasn't hurting him. That tells us that although GG is a great fighter, he's also very easy to hit, and he has little head movement and he marks up. A guy like Roy would have had a birthday in there with a 5" reach advantage and his insane hand speed. Especially as he also possessed: great timing, great accuracy, great variation, and one punch knockout power in either hand.
              Last edited by robertzimmerman; 10-17-2016, 06:05 PM.

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                #347
                Originally posted by Tom Cruise
                Nail on the head. The greats werent unbeatable. Neither is GGG.

                Its reminiscent of Floyd's 'no blueprint' from back in the day. As if an undefeated record means you cant lose.
                Yeah, that's exactly what's happening.

                These clowns are dismissing every fighter you put to them by looking on boxrec and repeatedly declaring that GG's unbeaten.

                It's completely pointless.

                Who makes a thread asking who could have beaten him, but then point blank refuses to take on board anyone's opinion?

                It's ******ed.
                Last edited by robertzimmerman; 10-17-2016, 06:06 PM.

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                • The Viper
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                  #348
                  Originally posted by bigdramashow
                  Im struggling to think of one who i would pick against him with any confidence. Hagler would be pretty much 50/50 i think, but only way i could clearly see him losing is against a bigger man at a higher weight.
                  The guy has left a trail of destruction in the middleweight division that hasnt been seen before, greatness is happening in front of our eyes, fighters are running for cover to avoid fighting him, and all you guys can do is ***** and moan!!! Its pathetic!!!!
                  And if you are going to say someone can beat him, please provide a good explanation rather than just talking crap, looking for intelligent boxing discussion...
                  LOL i'm just seeing this thread.......Bro are you sreally saying you believe GGG beats a prime roy at 160?

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                  • BEEHOP
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                    #349
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                    • Madison Boxing
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                      #350
                      Originally posted by Mr.DagoWop
                      Bigdramashow and headshots both ducked my question multiple times.

                      end thread.
                      what question?

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