I wish these boxers would try to be more like Mayweather

[daggum]

floyd won 5 lineal titles by the time he was 30?

[SilverMiles]

I ain't gonna argue with ya bro. I'm sure his talent would have earned him success in any case, merely pointing out that if Floyd had in fact been born Fenuku Mankattah from Accra he may not have enjoyed the same opportunities. I wasn't belittling Floyds achievements in any way or trying to somehow trying to give Arum credit - merely pointing out the realities of it. 'Course - as I think was alluded to by another poster - without Floyds amateur success and recognition (which again was all his own) he might have got picked up by a smaller promoter and had a less spectacular route to success.

Point is he had money behind him and someone who could make big fights happen. That **** helps. It is what it is. Bob might have hated Floyd and given him the minimum possible but at the end of the day Bobs profits were maximised by getting Floyd the biggest fights, and he had the power to make em. All I'm saying.

He knows this but pretends to be ignorant. You say Floyd was lucky (which he was because more talented and accomplished amateurs didn't receive contract offers from Top Rank.) to be signed to prehaps the biggest promotion company at the time with HBO backing and compared him to foreigners signed to lesser promoters.

Even to this day being signed to Top Rank with HBO boxing presents you with greater opportunities. Look at Lomachenko, 8 fights in and already two division champion.

[Citizen Koba]

He knows this but pretends to be ignorant. You say Floyd was lucky (which he was because more talented and accomplished amateurs didn't receive contract offers from Top Rank.) to be signed to prehaps the biggest promotion company at the time with HBO backing and compared him to foreigners signed to lesser promoters.

Even to this day being signed to Top Rank with HBO boxing presents you with greater opportunities. Look at Lomachenko, 8 fights in and already two division champion.

Not to say Floyd wasn't clearly an exceptional talent and wouldn't have achieved great success anyway but Arum had both an eye for star potential and the power to do something with it. I don't really see what's controversial about that.

[Motorcity Cobra]

You have almost no idea what you're talking about and it shows when you post.

Arum signed several black fighters, when he says they're not marketable he means as in current times not 1996. Which is true.

AlsoThe point is that, to a large extent, we didn’t know,” ceded Arum in hindsight. “In other words, we were able early to see the Hispanic situation and to learn how to promote to the Hispanics, coming from an era where most of the fighters were black like [Muhammad] Ali and all the heavyweights. Or you had [Sugar Ray] Leonard, Tommy [Hearns] and Marvin [Hagler], we were marketing to a white audience even though they were black fighters. Then when the white audience fell off and you had to figure out how to reach the black audience, we didn’t have the knowledge or the feel to do it. We didn’t understand that market which Floyd instinctively did.” opportunities have to be presented. Say whatever you like but Top Rank presented these opportunities, paid him massive amounts of cash to fight scrubs, and presented him with some of the best matchmakers in the sport.

Another issue today thanks to social media and things like it, everyone thinks they're a star. So everyone thinks their the A side and deserve heaps.
Mans you shouldn't add Golovkin to your list. The guy has been trying to face world champions since his 14th pro fight. Not his fault is promoters worked against him.

Or even Thurman who has been callinng out the fighter your slurping off, Floyd Mayweather. It's not his fault his own promoter is holding up big fights or that Maidana pussied out when it came time to face him.
Let's stop blaming fighters for the cowardice of other fighters.

Floyd made his professional debut in 1996! GTFO my topic! You don't know wtf you're talking about! Don't ever question anything I post on here because I'll always show proof when I state something as a fact

The point is that, to a large extent, we didn’t know,” ceded Arum in hindsight. “In other words, we were able early to see the Hispanic situation and to learn how to promote to the Hispanics, coming from an era where most of the fighters were black like [Muhammad] Ali and all the heavyweights. Or you had [Sugar Ray] Leonard, Tommy [Hearns] and Marvin [Hagler], we were marketing to a white audience even though they were black fighters. Then when the white audience fell off and you had to figure out how to reach the black audience, we didn’t have the knowledge or the feel to do it. We didn’t understand that market which Floyd instinctively did.”

[Motorcity Cobra]

He knows this but pretends to be ignorant. You say Floyd was lucky (which he was because more talented and accomplished amateurs didn't receive contract offers from Top Rank.) to be signed to prehaps the biggest promotion company at the time with HBO backing and compared him to foreigners signed to lesser promoters.

Even to this day being signed to Top Rank with HBO boxing presents you with greater opportunities. Look at Lomachenko, 8 fights in and already two division champion.

Loma was given more opportunities than Floyd, an American medalist. Floyd first fight wasn't on HBO. Floyd didn't get a title shot in his second fight. Floyd wasn't put at MSG. Floyd didn't have an $800k guarantee. Floyd came up like other prospects despite his accomplished amateur career. He had to fight in the small halls and earn more opportunities. A loss in his second fight, like Lomachenko, and Arum probably would've cut his contract!

[Larry the boss]

floyd won 5 lineal titles by the time he was 30?

yea that was far off..he was lineal at 130,135,147 by 30

[SilverMiles]

Loma was given more opportunities than Floyd, an American medalist. Floyd first fight wasn't on HBO. Floyd didn't get a title shot in his second fight. Floyd wasn't put at MSG. Floyd didn't have an $800k guarantee. Floyd came up like other prospects despite his accomplished amateur career. He had to fight in the small halls and earn more opportunities. A loss in his second fight, like Lomachenko, and Arum probably would've cut his contract!

Do you think before you post? Had Floyd lost his second fight to the bum that Floyd fought in his second fight than of course he would have cut his contract. No one is going to pay fighters $250,000 a fight to lose to Reggie Sanders (who) you say that like it's a bad thing.

But there's no way Top Rank would have cut Floyd's contract for losing to a fighter of Salido's caliber in his 2nd fight, stop being over dramatic. That's like saying if Floyd would have actually taken his deserved L against Castillo Top Rank would have dropped him.

[Motorcity Cobra]

Do you think before you post? Had Floyd lost his second fight to the bum that Floyd fought in his second fight than of course he would have cut his contract. No one is going to pay fighters $250,000 a fight to lose to Reggie Sanders (who) you say that like it's a bad thing.

But there's no way Top Rank would have cut Floyd's contract for losing to a fighter of Salido's caliber in his 2nd fight, stop being over dramatic. That's like saying if Floyd would have actually taken his deserved L against Castillo Top Rank would have dropped him.

There is no precedent for an Eastern European fighter becoming a superstar in America. There is precedent for a black American fighter becoming a superstar in America. Yet Loma was given slots on HBO right out the gate while Floyd was fighting off TV in small halls. I can understand Oscar getting those opportunities over Floyd because of his ethnicity, built in fan base, and Olympic gold. But there is no reason for Loma to get those type of opportunities over Floyd. The black fighters you named were already established when they were signed by Top Rank. When 50 cent got in the game Arum said 50 will be able to bring in a new audience aka urban crowd. But Floyd had already brought them in and Bob still didn't recognize it. Floyd disagreements with Bob was always about Floyd thinking he wasn't being marketed right and should be a bigger star. Floyd was right.

[yngwie]

This guys are killing the sport by trying to be like Mayweather, the see the shoulder roll, the cars, the money and winning by decisions like if that was Mayweather all the time, but he was like that in his more marketable money, the truth is that a young Mayweather and the old Mayweather in some aspects, is a really good role model for the young fighters, but they don't understand what they should be emulating, so no.