Why are fighters from the past glorified so much?

[i got the keys]

Bruh, stop being brainwashed. The only reason his resume is not better is because NOBODY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! wants to sign on that dotted line. NOBODY! Kell Brook is the exception, he's not that crazy to reject that payday. And if u come with oh but Lara and Ward...man stop being delusional. Lara got knocked down by Alfredo El Mummie Angulo and Ward by The boogieman himself Darnell Boone which happens to be Gennady's sparring partner and can attest Ward can't beat him. Stand down boy.

If you think a sparring partner's opinion matters, think again. At the end of the day both fighters have to step in the ring alone.

Clearly there are people who are willing to fight GGG, otherwise he wouldn't be fighting 3-4 times a year.

If he's truly about fighting anyone, anytime, then he shouldn't low-ball Jacobs. Yes, it's a risk stepping in with GGG, but he can be touched without a doubt. Again, nobody is denying GGGs skill set but you fans are taking it beyond repair....

[i got the keys]

So they block P A C T A R D....? Phahhaha

[C-los.p]

It's nostalgia. But I also think social media has a lot to do with fighters getting heat nowadays. It's a lot easier for criticism to reach a wider population. You have videos of fighters 'getting exposed', edited to suit the purpose of whoever posted the video. Four months before fighting Leonard, Duran fought Wellington Wheatley, who had a record of 7-2-1. If that happened today, every Twitter post about Duran would be flooded with cherry emojis. Put on a bad performance? The front page of this forum would be full of 'x fighter got exposed' threads.

[Mequetrefe]

If you think a sparring partner's opinion matters, think again. At the end of the day both fighters have to step in the ring alone.

Clearly there are people who are willing to fight GGG, otherwise he wouldn't be fighting 3-4 times a year.

If he's truly about fighting anyone, anytime, then he shouldn't low-ball Jacobs. Yes, it's a risk stepping in with GGG, but he can be touched without a doubt. Again, nobody is denying GGGs skill set but you fans are taking it beyond repair....

There's no lowballing just Haymon-Inflated egos. Big difference. Your boy Jacobs is now claiming he needs 2.5 to 3 months of preparation so Dec 10 is not possible. If you can't see that he is straight ducking then I cant help you there. Haymon is at fault for overpaying these premier bum champions.

[Jim Tom]

Hmmm. well, massive fan of Hamed here, but no I absolutely wouldn't say with any certainty that he beats either Rigo or Lomachenko... not a bad call though. Kelley? Well he did show what a fighter with good speed and timing could do with Prince Naz, and I don't quite hold him on the same level as Rigo or Loma in those regards...so... And with your other examples again you're cherrypicking the best or close to the best from a 50 odd year spread (or longer if you mean Benny rather than Sugar Ray) and from a range of weightclasses.

DLH and Mosley in their primes I'll give you over Garcia, Khan, Brook and Keith, though again none of them have really had time at the top to establish themselves. Of course, the real top guy at WW just retired and yeah, I'd have Floyd above Shane and Oscar, let's give some time for the next guy to arrive. For me that's not grounds to declare the decline of boxing skill.

Comparing the best with the best is possibly the best way to compare levels. I was only trying to run current fighters against different eras so it's not cherry picking. Skill levels I don't see these guys lasting against the guys from different eras. To be fair even a prime Cotto would clean the welter weight division and we know he wasn't even the best of his era.

[i got the keys]

There's no lowballing just Haymon-Inflated egos. Big difference. Your boy Jacobs is now claiming he needs 2.5 to 3 months of preparation so Dec 10 is not possible. If you can't see that he is straight ducking then I cant help you there. Haymon is at fault for overpaying these premier bum champions.

If it's business for GGG and company then business has to make since for Jacobs and crew as well. He's shown his willingness to get in the ring. I though GGG wanted all of the belts. He said he wanted to be the undisputed middleweight champ like Hopkins. His status will only rise if he were to knock of a legit middleweight in Jacobs. Given the stakes he should know better than to try and give the man only 25% when Jacobs has shown that he can draw in NY as well. There is plenty of creme to go around because the two of them together can likely sell out MSG or Barclays. Can't blame the man for wanting to get paid in the biggest fight for both fighters.

[Citizen Koba]

Comparing the best with the best is possibly the best way to compare levels. I was only trying to run current fighters against different eras so it's not cherry picking. Skill levels I don't see these guys lasting against the guys from different eras. To be fair even a prime Cotto would clean the welter weight division and we know he wasn't even the best of his era.

I'd say it kind of is. If you're comparing best of eras you're talking about Floyd and Manny not (forgive me) Queef and Cherry Garcia, and still you're comparing the best of one generation with the best from many. I do however agree that comparing the best with the best is not a bad way to start. Now how do you go about proving whether say Floyd would have beaten Sugar Ray at Welter. H2H. Myself I'd claim Sugar Ray cos I'm a big fan, but if I'm honest I can't say with any degree of certainty.

[Tony Trick-Pony]

On this I can only agree, but then what are the options? It's really a niche sport these days anyway, start paying guys less and fewer will go into the pro-sport, although doubtless there'll always be some who choose to make a living with their fists. Myself I'd like to see more structure, a unified governing body and fewer weightclasses, AIBAs foray in the pro-sport would have my full backing if they weren't a bunch of crooked bastards themselves, but at least we'd have regular tourneys, possibly a league and ideally pay scales related more directly to performance.

It's a topic a little off the original premise of the thread but one well worthy of further discussion.

Well it addresses the original title of the thread anyway in why they are glorified so much. They had it a lot harder basically.

Oh I don't know that there's much that can be done at this point. The last thirty years has done a lot of damage. I guess we'll see what happens. The money will dry up eventually, maybe.

[Tony Trick-Pony]

It's an image...

All about image these days...

[!! Shawn]

Oh yes a fighter that has literally never been in shape his entire life "cut from that old school cloth baby"

He must be the greatest of all time if he did what he has done without ever being in shape a day in his life eh?