Prime for prime who wins at 168..Joe Calzaghe or GGG

[sunny31]

two completely different fights. The shots ward were landing werent clean shots, and froch was pressing the action, whereas calzaghe was tagging hopkins repeatedly and also fighting on the offensive. And it wasnt double the punches so pointless example really. WHat is it with posters getting so aggressive when someone disagrees with them, bizarre.

I could disprove that first sentence quite easily, but why waste my time? In fact it was completely the opposite. Joe was having real problems landing anything clean, this is a well known fact whether you think he won or lost (and again just to reiterate I had him winning).

Also Froch at times went on the back foot against Ward and spent long periods with his back on the ropes, but I would say the majority of the fight was fought in the middle of the ring. He only pressed forward in the last 3 rounds when it was clear he needed a knockout, let me guess another fight you didn't bother watching?

In terms of the 'aggressiveness' I think I speak for the great majority when I say that its because your an idiot. NSB was a better place in June 2015.

[Madison Boxing]

I could disprove that first sentence quite easily, but why waste my time? In fact it was completely the opposite. Joe was having real problems landing anything clean, this is a well known fact whether you think he won or lost (and again just to reiterate I had him winning).

Also Froch at times went on the back foot against Ward and spent long periods with his back on the ropes, but I would say the majority of the fight was fought in the middle of the ring. He only pressed forward in the last 3 rounds when it was clear he needed a knockout, let me guess another fight you didn't bother watching?

In terms of the 'aggressiveness' I think I speak for the great majority when I say that its because your an idiot. NSB was a better place in June 2015.

they are two seperate fights and on one fight i agree with two of the judges and on the other one i agreed with two of the judges? Yet im crazy? Im sorry ******* joe beat hopkins, if thats whats causing you to be so touchy. you make me sound crazy yet hbo scored it same as me? pretty sure a lot of the press had it similar too? suggest you rewatch the fights mate, i watched them live as i do all the boxing, unlike you im a true fan of the sport

[Redd Foxx]

Bad style matchup for Joe. He could certainly outwork GGG, but his volume would just open up more opportunities. People talk about what happens when someone does'nt wilt to GGG's power, but hes not a head hunter. He is a dedicated and brutal body puncher and a guy that does'nt need to land flush to do damage. I think Joe probably takes the early rounds and GGG slowly breaks him down, comes on in the mid to late rounds and we would get a SD type of decision that could go either way.

Possibly, but the thing I disagree with there is that Golovkin generally doesn't throw when he's being hit and he's not a sharp counter-puncher. He covers up or endures until he's gives a turn to strike back, then he strikes HARD. Joe wasn't generous about giving turns. He'd mob a guy, pivot when they were ready to strike back, then launch again before they had a chance to re-position. The reason I think GOlovkin beats Canelo is that Canelo plays defense and trades. Joe never did until the opponent was worn down and he needed them to open their defense. When Joe got trapped, he simply smothered and either clinched or pivoted his way out. I don't see anything about Golovkin that would stop Joe form doing that.

No disrespect to your theory, I just think the volume is the very thing that would win this.

[HeadShots]

Possibly, but the thing I disagree with there is that Golovkin generally doesn't throw when he's being hit and he's not a sharp counter-puncher. He covers up or endures until he's gives a turn to strike back, then he strikes HARD. Joe wasn't generous about giving turns. He'd mob a guy, pivot when they were ready to strike back, then launch again before they had a chance to re-position. The reason I think GOlovkin beats Canelo is that Canelo plays defense and trades. Joe never did until the opponent was worn down and he needed them to open their defense. When Joe got trapped, he simply smothered and either clinched or pivoted his way out. I don't see anything about Golovkin that would stop Joe form doing that.

No disrespect to your theory, I just think the volume is the very thing that would win this.

Nope he absolutely throws when the opponent is throwing. that's actually his strong point he is very quick in his fighting instincts in the pocket. Watch the Rubio and Wade fights. He's literally just straight up trading and not taking any pucnhes in the fights for 2 rounds.


He does take rests sometimes because he will bully the opponent onto the ropes and unleash a vicious onslaught of body attack... then he backs off..... Kell and Monroe used those opportunities to unload. But all on his arms. no actual damage. while GGG has been damaging them to the body the whole time.

[Madison Boxing]

Possibly, but the thing I disagree with there is that Golovkin generally doesn't throw when he's being hit and he's not a sharp counter-puncher. He covers up or endures until he's gives a turn to strike back, then he strikes HARD. Joe wasn't generous about giving turns. He'd mob a guy, pivot when they were ready to strike back, then launch again before they had a chance to re-position. The reason I think GOlovkin beats Canelo is that Canelo plays defense and trades. Joe never did until the opponent was worn down and he needed them to open their defense. When Joe got trapped, he simply smothered and either clinched or pivoted his way out. I don't see anything about Golovkin that would stop Joe form doing that.

No disrespect to your theory, I just think the volume is the very thing that would win this.

yep, think joes workrate would be what gives him the edge too. I think hed have to survive some very rough moments and likely a knockdown or two but would land enough eye catching flurries to win him the fight. would predict calzaghe 116-112, something like that. I often say how great GGG's ring IQ but joe was as clever as they come

[HeadShots]

yep, think joes workrate would be what gives him the edge too. I think hed have to survive some very rough moments and likely a knockdown or two but would land enough eye catching flurries to win him the fight. would predict calzaghe 116-112, something like that. I often say how great GGG's ring IQ but joe was as clever as they come

getting KD by Bernard Hopkins is a different ball game to getting KD by GGG.



Let's not forget his activity will drop in the later rounds because of how GGG invests to the body early. it's always the same story. GGG's punches to the body are so devastating. down the stretch his opponents just become zombies.

[Redd Foxx]

Nope he absolutely throws when the opponent is throwing. that's actually his strong point he is very quick in his fighting instincts in the pocket. Watch the Rubio and Wade fights. He's literally just straight up trading and not taking any pucnhes in the fights for 2 rounds.

If you are using Dominic Wade to back your argument, you already lost. Golovkin does not play defense and counters, at least, not on any kind of level where you could say he excels at it. Doesn't mean he's bad. It's just not his game.

Gif below; no response to multiple punches. Again, doesn't stop genady from finishing the dude later on. However, it illustrates what I was saying. Imagine a fight filled with that, from a much bigger man, who doesn't tire. Joe would be a bad opponent for Golovkin.

[Redd Foxx]

yep, think joes workrate would be what gives him the edge too. I think hed have to survive some very rough moments and likely a knockdown or two but would land enough eye catching flurries to win him the fight. would predict calzaghe 116-112, something like that. I often say how great GGG's ring IQ but joe was as clever as they come

Good of you to be honest about it, as I know you're pretty protective of GGG. Joe's ring IQ is wildly overlooked, possibly because he look more crude than graceful. He controlled distance amazingly well, and varied it depending where the opponent was at, stamina-wise. Watch him smother Roy, then sit right in the pocket to get him to open up once Roy tired.
Joe also had the instinct to read body language and know what a guy was going to do. Too many people are blind to the subtleties that made him great.

[Omair]

GGG by easy K.O.

[BillyBoxing]

Its a real shame, you can almost call Calzaghe a waste of talent. He did too little too late in his career.

As for the fight, Golovkin would have a hard time landing flush. Calzaghe's hand speed, movement and angles would probably frustrate the hell out of Golovkin, not to mention Calzaghe took a pretty good punch. If Calzaghe wouldn't have crumbled he would've won a decision. And that brings me to my next question about Golovkin: What's gonna happen in a fight where his opponent doesn't wilt under his power?

Everybody wilt Under his power.



You have those natural puncher, they have it in their hands, and they will hurt you despite a true weight difference.

From what I heard on YouTube, GGG is one of those guys, dude like Afolabi, big cruiserweight, or Gassiev, big cruiserweight too saying his power is impressive.

Nobody taking many GGG punches with pro gloves.

The question is more, what will happen in a fight where is opponent doesn't get HIT by his power/punches?