Why do some posters on boxing forums..

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He didn't struggle to adapt to Ward, Taylor, or Groves at all. He adjusted and came on strong to stop both Taylor and Groves, and came on late against Ward. You don't do that consistently against boxers if you don't know how to adjust. Dirrell is the only time he didn't fight better in the second half of the fight than the first.

You just seem intent on giving Froch no credit for what he did in those fights. He didn't just plod ahead until they were tired and then have success.

No, Taylor simply folded under pressure. Froch is a great pressure fighter. I have never stated otherwise. He slugged it out & was fortunate they (Groves, Taylor etc) plastic mandibles & in some cases poor pacing issues too! I saw no real adaptation.. I just saw them fighters get tired with pressure & Frochs strong constitution & heart overcoming.

Froch was predictable & ponder-some. No shame in that as many great fighters are but don't make him out to be great adaptor in fights now too. He looked the exact same in the Kessler rematch as he did first time round. Difference was Kessler was further faded. Calzaghe can adapt, Hopkins can adapt.. Froch is just relentless but looks average against the more pure boxers & struggles to adjust. Yet his heart, pressure & stamina (would have been a great 15 round fighter) see him through most times..

With Ward, i saw Ward coast & switch of a little (gas almost) towards the end. Probably down to pressure but game plan also. Get the fight in the bag.

Adapting is about switching tactics (Calzaghe could do that) or stances, having a plan B or falling back on extra tricks in the bag (Hopkins could do that) Froch always looked the same for me. His technique never altered & he bored forward moving in straight lines trying to draw his opponent into a slug-fest.

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One thing i think people are also missing here in comparing Froch to Kovalev are the trainers! McCracken & JDJ are chalk & cheese! One is A typical Euro style trainer & the other was schooled in the US style of boxing his entire life! Trainers are a huge factor....

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Again you pulled me up on supposedly ducking a mundane & trivial post you made yet when i respond you don't want to engage in the response & piggy back another response i made to someone else! Are you a bit dense or something? Now i asked you WHEN exactly did i call Froch a bum? I have stated long before you entered the thread that he was a great champion. I also asked you:



As for me reading numerous derogatory comments towards Froch even pre Taylor on boxing forums. I don't care if you think that rubbish! Or i am making it up. I remember many. I can't remember specific threads though.

These leading up to Dirrell has comments suggesting Froch is a hype job, an embarrassment to British coaches, poor technically, a B level fighter & the worst boxer in the tournament who even Abraham would beat:

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...ictions&page=5

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...ictions&page=7

I can't even be arsed to find the pre Taylor ones or Ward ones. Go find the threads yourself (as i am sure there are some & we can look through them together & read how everyone back then really rated Froch & not a bad word was ever said about his technique or ability LOL)

I'll apologise for the bum jibe and accusations because I looked through your post history and you've been consistently positive about Froch. We're just going to agree to disagree on the Kovalev vs Froch debate.

I'm just of the opinion that they can't be compared yet as Froch has finished his career and Kovalev is still active. It seems I'm in the minority here as majority of NSB favoured Kovalev in my poll.

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One's from Russia the others from England. One's a LHW the others a SMW. One's trained by Euro McCracken the other by American JDJ. One fundamentally struggles with boxers time & again the other rarely loses a round. One loses 5 rounds to Pascal the other basically has a sparring session/manhandles him twice (Kovalev wins every round of 7 in the rematch & probably drops one mercy round to Pascal first time round in 8. Drops him on numerous occasions too..) One is as flat footed, ponder-some (at times) pressure fighter who moves in straight lines, has no plan B & throws punches (with the odd exception) that Stevie Wonder could see coming & the other a highly skilled, athletic fighter who judges distance, uses feints, has fast & powerful flurries & has one of the best straight rights in the business, barely loses a round & destroys people with a jab almost! Froch is a wrecking ball, Kovalev is an architect. Froch is to Kovalev what Abraham would be to a better chinned more powerful Martinez. That's my take..

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I'll apologise for the bum jibe and accusations because I looked through your post history and you've been consistently positive about Froch. We're just going to agree to disagree on the Kovalev vs Froch debate.

I'm just of the opinion that they can't be compared yet as Froch has finished his career and Kovalev is still active. It seems I'm in the minority here as majority of NSB favoured Kovalev in my poll.

Fine. Let's compare post Ward.

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Fine. Let's compare post Ward.

Definitely. Kovalev doesn't even have to beat Ward to be greater than Froch IMO, he just needs a couple more world level fights to pad up his resume.

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I didn't think you would. You are afraid to back up your own words with an action that would mean you truly believe what you are saying.

I am willing to, you are not. Speaks volumes.

Pathetic effort to spin my words.

Mind you...

I never actually said that he will do worse than Froch I said that they are on similar, equal level imo, that's what I said. I also said that I doN't exclude that Kovalev will do better than Froch I just think it will be about the same (3-4 round won). So why the hell I would bet on something I never even said?

I also said that since they are equal level fighters but Kovalev is one size bigger this will be still Ward's best win up to date.
too bad that information like that just dodge your ****ing brain and you jump onto conclusion after you selected all the sentences which fit your agenda and filtered the ones which don't.

If you think you can bait me into ****** bets on things I didn't even say you're wrong.

I can bet with you anytime that Ward will beat hm though, that's something I actually think and say not your word spinning BS.

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Pathetic effort to spin my words.

Mind you...

I never actually said that he will do worse than Froch I said that they are on similar, equal level imo, that's what I said. I also said that I doN't exclude that Kovalev will do better than Froch I just think it will be about the same (3-4 round won). So why the hell I would bet on something I never even said?

I also said that since they are equal level fighters but Kovalev is one size bigger this will be still Ward's best win up to date.
too bad that information like that just dodge your ****ing brain and you jump onto conclusion after you selected all the sentences which fit your agenda and filtered the ones which don't.

If you think you can bait me into ****** bets on things I didn't even say you're wrong.

I can bet with you anytime that Ward will beat hm though, that's something I actually think and say not your word spinning BS.

No, they are not equal level fighters! Have you even been reading what i have argued thus far?:

One's from Russia the others from England. One's a LHW the others a SMW. One's trained by Euro McCracken the other by American JDJ. One fundamentally struggles with boxers time & again the other rarely loses a round. One loses 5 rounds to Pascal the other basically has a sparring session/manhandles him twice (Kovalev wins every round of 7 in the rematch & probably drops one mercy round to Pascal first time round in 8. Drops him on numerous occasions too..) One is as flat footed, ponder-some (at times) pressure fighter who moves in straight lines, has no plan B & throws punches (with the odd exception) that Stevie Wonder could see coming & the other a highly skilled, athletic fighter who judges distance, uses feints, has fast & powerful flurries & has one of the best straight rights in the business, barely loses a round & destroys people with a jab almost! Froch is a wrecking ball, Kovalev is an architect. Froch is to Kovalev what Abraham would be to a better chinned more powerful Martinez. That's my take..

Froch is not a better win than Kovalev because Froch lost to Kessler. He arguably lost to Dirrell & looked far more beatable in numerous fights. Westermam, Taylor & Groves etc..

Now show me Kovalev getting schooled by a Groves or a Taylor or a Dirrell? Show me Kovalev getting bashed around by a Westerman or a Kessler? Show me Kovalev looking cluleless against boxers like Ward or Hopkins?

Show me AL these examples of Kovalev consistently struggling though-out his career? Show me Kovalev losing 25 rounds? Show me Kovalev losing 15 rounds to B/C level boxers like Westerman, Charles Adamu or Magee?

No way is Froch as skilled & nor dose he have the assets Kovalev has. Keep kidding yourself Froch is on the same level. You'll see come November