Jerrod Fletcher beat Adonis Stevenson and James DeGale

[Chollo Vista]

Korobov earned his title shot at Quillin

BTW, Fletcher earned a shot against Golovkin, but since HBO wouldn't fund the fight, GGG fought Geale instead.

What's your point?

[LoadedWraps]

I say judge a pro off of his accomplishments as a pro.

Judge an amateur off his accomplishments as an amateur. Kovalev got his ass knocked out as an amateur. That should never be brought up when talking about the professional Kovalev.

At no time, whatsoever, should a pro who didn't live up to expectations as a pro be able to live off what he did as an amateur. Never.

That's like Iverson saying "We talkin bout practice".

Well I agree with that, judge a pro fighter on his pro resume alone.

But there is value in looking at amateur performances as a bearing on professional fights, and a professional fighers skillset and ring IQ.

[Eastcoast]

You lost all credibility when you mentioned the fact that Korobov beat "decent journeymen" and even mentioned shot to schit decision win over Brian Vera, coming off 25 losses, in an effort to justify an Andy Lee win.

BTW, Jerrod Fletcher has the better amateur wins, doe

I lost credability and you claim Fletcher had the better amateur career? Idiot, Korobov stopped Fletcher in the '05 World Championship tourney. Korobov also beat Kovalev, Jacobs, Usyk, Sutherland, Syllakh and Gaydarbekov (the guy who beat Golovkin for the gold). He went 300-12, winning the '05 World Champ, which is rated high than the less attended Common Wealth games Fletcher won, where Fletcher got home judging. lol....


Tell me again how Mora was the better/tougher choice than Lee for this last fight.......

[Eastcoast]

BTW, Fletcher earned a shot against Golovkin, but since HBO wouldn't fund the fight, GGG fought Geale instead.

What's your point?

Fletcher earned that shot with the Bursak win, we've covered this before. And Fletcher was so little regarded nobody wanted that fight, save Fletcher. K2 appealed to the WBA to let them fight Geale instead and Danny Jacob's title was born.

[Chollo Vista]

Well I agree with that, judge a pro fighter on his pro resume alone.

But there is value in looking at amateur performances as a bearing on professional fights, and a professional fighers skillset and ring IQ.

Yeah, when you want to dissect a professional fighter you're not too familiar with and predict how a fight might play out against whomever they're on tap to fight in the future.

Sure, go back and review some tape that's a few years old from the amateurs.

But never should we be talking about Daniel Jacobs is a beast because he beat Shawn Porter twice, Martin Murray twice, and Shawn Estrada in the amateurs.

Professional fighters should be evaluated as professionals and amateurs as amateurs. That goes with anything. I know professional football/basketball players that were monsters in college, but terrible as professionals. MMA fighters that were great collegiate wrestlers, but journeymen as professionals.

It goes on and on.

Cormier beat Patrick Cummins, who was a great collegiate wrestler, but a flop as a pro. We shouldn't be calling Cormier a beast beast because he beat the great collegiate wrestler, no, he's a beast because he beat Johnson, Gust, Bigfoot, Barnett, etc.

The same should be said for boxing.

[Chollo Vista]

I lost credability and you claim Fletcher had the better amateur career? Idiot, Korobov stopped Fletcher in the '05 World Championship tourney. Korobov also beat Jacobs, Usyk, Sutherland, Syllakh and Gaydarbekov (the guy who beat Golovkin for the gold). He went 300-12

Korobov also lost to Kovalev

You're telling me the bolded fighters are better professionals than Adonis Stevenson and James DeGale?

This is gonna be good, especially when you have such great disdain for Jacobs.

Then you use triangulor theory when mentioning Gaydarbekov. Did Korobov beat GGG; yes or no?

Very sad and pitiful attempt by you here.

The fact that you still try to dispute amateur records proves the point of this thread. You're an idiot for dis*****g a guys amateur record so heavily in one breath, then turn around and say as a professional he has "descent wins over journeymen". You're too dumb to realize how ****** that sounds.

Fletcher earned that shot with the Bursak win, we've covered this before. And Fletcher was so little regarded nobody wanted that fight, save Fletcher. K2 appealed to the WBA to let them fight Geale instead and Danny Jacob's title was born.

The WBA ordered it. Fletcher earned his shot. The only reason it didn't happen was because HBO wouldn't pay for it because Geale made more money. Geale and Fletcher were equal if you ask me. I didn't really care too much for either guy.

[Chollo Vista]

Eastcoast

Seriously speaking, anytime you have to hype someone's resume by mentioning a Brian Vera who's coming off 4 straight losses (1 KO)

[Hougigo]

Quite the circle jerk you got up in here, impressive!

He's trying to make Fletcher a great win for Jacobs, then instantly discards BJS's destruction of him

It was a bullschit stoppage and you know it

[Chollo Vista]

Quite the circle jerk you got up in here, impressive!

You tell me NATAS.

Am I wrong for saying that fighters should be evaluated for being good professionals and not mediocre professionals that were good amateurs?

In all honesty, you tell me?

[Chollo Vista]

In all honesty I know exactly what you're doing and if you use some actual context then this wouldn't be a topic.

I am using context. When guys hype up amateur careers for guys that were busts as professionals, there's no way of getting around it. Unless you have an agenda