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  • mapleleaf27
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    #21
    Originally posted by GGG Gloveking
    So then Ward is actually favored to win the fight?
    Yep. With odds if you have to lay more then you make then you are the favorite...I think GGG was -700 vs Brook a cple weeks ago. Meaning you lay 700 to win 100. Brook comeback was 100 to win 475..As you can see the house makes off the middle if people are playing both sides evenly.

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      #22
      Originally posted by mapleleaf27
      Yep. With odds if you have to lay more then you make then you are the favorite...I think GGG was -700 vs Brook a cple weeks ago. Meaning you lay 700 to win 100. Brook comeback was 100 to win 475..As you can see the house makes off the middle if people are playing both sides evenly.
      Well, someone needs to tell Andre so he can quit feeling like an underdog, lol

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        #23
        Originally posted by mapleleaf27
        NP, Just trying to help and have some conversation. Ward is a slight, slight, favorite. If you are a nfl fan, to compare..Dallas is -250 tonite vs Bears. So you gotta risk 250 to win 100 on Dallas [no spread, just outright win]...if you like Bears you risk 100 to win 220. After the may-pac fight last year I think it was Maliginaggi who said that -170 line was the safest way to make money ever, better then any mutual fund/stock tip.
        That's what had me a little confused. Because the links had him as favorite but the article claims he'll be an underdog.

        He’ll be the underdog when he faces Sergey Kovalev for three light heavyweight titles on Nov. 19.

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          #24
          Originally posted by GGG Gloveking
          Well, someone needs to tell Andre so he can quit feeling like an underdog, lol
          It won't help , with SOG he is always ready to organize a pity party for himself. Some would think he wasted the best years of his career in court suing his promoters. I cheered him during the Super 6 but as a fan was really let down to see him waste his career afterwards.
          Last edited by mapleleaf27; 09-25-2016, 07:56 PM.

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          • mapleleaf27
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            #25
            Yea all he has to do is google ' Ward vs Kovalev odds" or just walk into any sportsbook in Vegas. Not much of a mystery..In the meantime for some reason he always feels under appreciated and in all his interviews he says this stuff about no respect , him and Fury want your respect! hahaha.

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              #26
              But he was labeled as "the guy" at one point. They were trying to call him the next Roy jones jr. I've followed his pro career from the beginning and he was a whiner back then. He also struggled early in his career with guys that were supposed to be easy, confidence building fights. He got put on spaghetti legs by a guy named Kenny Kost, a white boy from Iowa or some shiat. His "step up fight" was against a washed up Edison Miranda on which fought scared, just looking to out wrestle his opponent. After winning the super six tourney, he was adored by the media and fans. It seemed like he didn't like the love and attention and preferred to be an outsider. He even bragged about not taking the beaten path in his career and saying that he liked to do things differently than signing with a major promoter and getting the support of the networks which is his perogative, but don't purposely go against the grain and then try to play the victim card and say you've never had the support of the boxing establishment.

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              • Real King Kong
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                #27
                Typical media...always trying to bring the white man down. Don't let em fade you andre...

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                • Boxing Logic
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                  #28
                  Originally posted by ShoulderRoll


                  It seems like these two are already getting their excuses ready. Don't expect to see them give Ward any credit if he wins.
                  Why are you quoting my post then making accusations when the post you quoted of mine already addressed your accusations ahead of time? I already said I will give Ward full credit if he beats Kovalev without initiating holds. Obviously sometimes guys run into each other, I'll still give him credit if he only initiates one per round, maybe two in some rounds. But if he starts initiating three or more holds per round, the ref is supposed to take multiple points and eventually DQ him if he keeps it up into the championship rounds. So if the ref allows him to cheat of course I will credit the ref, not the fighter. That's just logical.

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                    #29
                    Originally posted by Bushbaby
                    I see some bitter dudes crying about Ward in this tread. This mutherfucker done dominated one of boxing's deepest divisions when the so called 1&2 pfp fighters were cherrypicking ppv's.
                    You are making **** up. 168 was possibly the weakest division in boxing. Not one top fighter with speed and power besides Ward. Lots of unathletic, slow euros who were considered "great" while only fighting other slow, unathletic euros, but were exposed as B-level guys eventually when they fought the top guys from the US.

                    Ward's run at 168, "scaling down" from his natural weight 175 as Virgil Hunter said, reminds me a lot of Adrien Broner's run at 135. Broner was talked about as the next superstar at that time, as a top P4P guy, just like Ward was at 168. Ward stepped up to his natural weight much quicker than Ward though, to a weight class with actual athletic, talented top level fighters, and quickly got exposed.

                    Now Ward is finally stepping up to his natural weight, like Broner, and to a weight class with actual top level, talented, athletic fighters, like Kovalev, Stevenson, and Beterbiev. Like Broner, we will now finally see how good Ward really is at his natural weight, against actual A-level fighters. Well, at least one A-level fighter. I have no confidence in Ward fighting Stevenson or Beterbiev if he beats Kovalev, but I don't expect him to beat Kovalev.

                    But yeah I completely disagree with your assessment about 168. That weight class was awful. One of the worst in boxing. I think the best fighters at 135 during Broner's run were Demarco and Ricky Burns, who he didn't fight. At 168 during Ward's run it was Froch.

                    Well, Froch beat Lucian Bute. Demarco beat Linares. Linares is now a more decorated champ than Bute ever was, in more divisions. So Broner beating Demarco is similar to Ward beating Froch. Ricky Burns meanwhile got dominated by Crawford once he faced a top guy, but is now also a multi-weight champ. Broner would have walked through him too. So Broner beat, and would have beat, guys who either were, or who beat, multi-weight champs. That is comparable to what Ward did at 168 and yet you saw what happened to Broner once he stopped fight overrated, smaller guys in a weak division.

                    Is Ward better than Broner? Of course but I'm saying his run at 168 was definitely smoke and mirrors. That weight class ******, and he was scaling down to it to fight smaller guys, as his own trainer admitted.

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                      #30
                      Originally posted by mapleleaf27
                      It won't help , with SOG he is always ready to organize a pity party for himself. Some would think he wasted the best years of his career in court suing his promoters. I cheered him during the Super 6 but as a fan was really let down to see him waste his career afterwards.
                      He definitely has a victim's mentality. Like Floyd he lies to himself that people don't like him because he's black. No man being black is legit, it's fly. Black people are just as cool as white people while also being way better dancers. You can't hate on the black, for that would be wack. Words to live by.

                      But he doesn't get that. He thinks it's cuz he's black. No, it's because he's boring and he holds and instead of giving the fans the fights they wanted the last five years, he kept suing his promoter even though he promoter did nothing wrong. It was a wrongful lawsuit and the judges kept telling him that, but he wouldn't listen he just kept making up reasons to sue. So he engaged in shady business, didn't fight the fights fans wanted, and when he did fight, he held and fouled a lot as usual, and didn't use an entertaining style.

                      I mean is all that not a good enough reason not to prefer a fighter over other ones? That's not enough? You have to be a racist too? Come on that's just a victim's mentality. You can't hate the black, man. You just can't. As I said, that **** would be wack as ****. It's just about entertainment. Ward has not delivered entertainment for the fans and so the fans prefer other fighters instead. Just like I would rather watch the greatest show on turf Rams than watch the Cleveland Browns. It's about better entertainment. It's not because I hate the color brown. See? You can't hate the brown, man. That would cause a big frown. You can't do it. Just can't.

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