Has there ever been a fighter considered top 3 p4p with a thin resume like GGG

[BillyBoxing]

............ Bringing up amateur records to argue why Golovkin should be high on the P4P list. You've already lost when you resort to bull**** like that.

P4P is about pure boxing skills and evaluate the talent and the skill level of a fighter.

Why amateur BOXING fights versus Bute and Direll shouldn't help to evaluate GGG's talent and level since AS YOU STATED, he face B opposition in pros?

[Nay_Sayer]

You should damn know, (if you know what you're talking about and being honnest) Murray got robbed versus Sturm in Germany.

It's still a LOSS.

He then lost a controversial fight versus Martinez, IN ARGENTINA.

It's still a LOSS.

Murray has been a TOP ten MW for years and a solid contender.

He's never been ranked in the top 3.

GGG is the only man to stop him, that's a solid performance IMO.

There is *nothing* particularly impressive about knocking over a TOMATO CAN...

[Nay_Sayer]

So we are talking about a 40 years old Holmes and a light heavyweight right?

40 year old Holmes and LHW Spinks are *lightyears* ahead of anyone on Bumlovkin's resume.

I'm not comparing GGG and Tyson, but you're talking crap so I won't my answers...

It's paifully obvious that YDKSAB..

So Calzaghe beat 2 ATG too (Jones jr and Popkins), he's legacy wise above them right?

Calzaghe is head and shoulders above Bumlovkin. No question...

[Nay_Sayer]

Golovkin probably doesn't have the skillset to be P4P TOP 5, but his real power and solid chin can make him crack the top, we'll see once he fights Canelo and Jacobs.

Now I'm convinced more than ever that YDKSAB. David Tua had truckloads of power and a chin to match. Never saw him on any P4P lists...

David Tua was a HW...with power, great LOL

Everything counts in P4P rankings: power, intangibles like chin, skills.

And we are talking about something subjective.

Like I said, YDKSAB. Your obvious contradiction above proves as much...

[Nay_Sayer]

LOL so you know your boxing because 1 brit judge had Brook ahead.

No. I know my boxing because the Brit judge had Brook ahead and the other TWO judges had the fight EVEN, Einstein.

[therealpugilist]

What I mean, is if you can beat Bute and Direll you can box.

Amateur counts when it comes to boxing legacy and HOF, juste like Ali's gold medal, or Lennox KO over Bowe.

i don't know, Crawford is P4P for beating a midget in Gamboa and then Postol.

Don't KNOW if that so much better than GGG's record.

But TC being P4P ranked doesn't seem to bother Larry, yourself and all the Kigali of the forum.

Terrance Crawford isn't considered top 3 p4p

He actually has a better resume than GGG considering He unified the wbc, wbo and ring titles at 140......he also held the wbo and ring title at 135

he won all his titles in the ring.

Wins over lundy, and Jean are comparable the murray and macklin consider considering who the fighters beat and their success

Defeating Ricky Burns is on Par with Geale and Burns went on to win a title at 140

His win over Gamboa and Brook are comparable. Both were highly regarded fighters from lower weights, and we undefeated

TC win over Postol gives him the edge. Postol was undefeated, finding his stride, and a stylistic nightmare for most at 140.


Difference between GGG and TC is Crawford has a better resume but doesn't get near the hype, others like Chocolatito, Danny Garcia, KOVALEV do as well

[therealpugilist]

It's still a LOSS.


It's still a LOSS.


He's never been ranked in the top 3.


There is *nothing* particularly impressive about knocking over a TOMATO CAN...

Murray is a euro level guy who couldn't even put away a far past prime Arthur Abraham and has lost to literally ever world ranked fighter he has faced.

[Dean_Razorback]

Terrance Crawford isn't considered top 3 p4p

He actually has a better resume than GGG considering He unified the wbc, wbo and ring titles at 140......he also held the wbo and ring title at 135

he won all his titles in the ring.

Wins over lundy, and Jean are comparable the murray and macklin consider considering who the fighters beat and their success

Defeating Ricky Burns is on Par with Geale and Burns went on to win a title at 140

His win over Gamboa and Brook are comparable. Both were highly regarded fighters from lower weights, and we undefeated

TC win over Postol gives him the edge. Postol was undefeated, finding his stride, and a stylistic nightmare for most at 140.


Difference between GGG and TC is Crawford has a better resume but doesn't get near the hype, others like Chocolatito, Danny Garcia, KOVALEV do as well

why do you guys keep saying this? why do you keep ignoring the fact that those belts that GGG got "outside" the ring were due to blatant ducking? like if crawford wouldn't be in the same position as Gennady is if he wasn't american

[PivotandRoll]

Murray is a euro level guy who couldn't even put away a far past prime Arthur Abraham and has lost to literally ever world ranked fighter he has faced.

Has there ever been a poster more obsessed with discrediting a fighter than you are with GGG?

The answer is no you pathetic loser.

* wait you scored Murray/Martinez for Sergio??? Yup sounds about right for a blind clueless moron.

[therealpugilist]

why do you guys keep saying this? why do you keep ignoring the fact that those belts that GGG got "outside" the ring were due to blatant ducking? like if crawford wouldn't be in the same position as Gennady is if he wasn't american

here on earth...you don't get credit for fights that never happened.....that Wba STRAP AND wbc strap are trash...they could've at least made the guy fight the highest ranked contender for it...the IBF win is legit considering he beat a solid and high ranked Lemieux for it.


fighters make the belts and if a fighter isn't fighting for them, the belts mean very little

Bro...nobody is calling out Terrance Crawford....from 135-140 he hasn't had the easiest time finding opponents himself

what did he do? he moved up and ended up winning the lineal title....that's what p4p fighters do


what does being America have to do with Crawford actually winning all his belts in the ring?


why are you upset about it? it has to be taken into consideration how he got the titles. Sorry brio, just facts