Comments Thread For: Golovkin's Manager: Canelo, De La Hoya Have a Team Code To Lie!

[Shadoww702]

It's amazing how EVERYONE has problems with K2 but K2???

[Shadoww702]

Here is the article from Yahoo, great great summary of the whole situation and just proves what kind of businessmen and pretenders Oscar and Canelo are.

Canelo Alvarez and Golden Boy know exactly what it'll take for him to no longer be derided
[By Chris Mannix]
chrismannixblog
September 18, 2016

ARLINGTON, Texas – They embraced in the ring, promoter and fighter, boxing legend and young star well on his way to getting there. There is so much Oscar De La Hoya in Canelo Alvarez. From the magnetic personality to the concussive power, the boyish good looks to rock-star popularity, there are few obstacles preventing Alvarez from earning the type of mainstream success De La Hoya once enjoyed.

Actually, there’s just one.

Alvarez knocked out Liam Smith on Saturday, in a fight that played out exactly how anyone with even a cursory understanding of the matchup expected. Smith — a nominal titleholder with no résumé to speak of — was game but overmatched by Alvarez, who assaulted Smith’s body for eight rounds before finishing him in the ninth with a savage left hand just under Smith’s ribcage. The crowd — 51,420, a boxing record for Jerry Jones’s AT&T stadium — roared, Alvarez preened and a couple hundred thousand fans who forked over $65 for this mismatch started searching for Seinfeld.

And…that’s it. A fight that had been savaged for weeks met its inch-high expectations. And that, friends, is the problem. Once, Canelo was branded fearless. He rushed into the ring with the likes of Austin Trout and Erislandy Lara, high-risk/low-reward fights valuable only to a fighter determined to prove he was the best. He was De La Hoya, burnishing his résumé regularly against elite foes.

Today? He’s a punch line. Chickenelo is a part of the boxing lexicon. Duckanelo, too. A Gennady Golovkin-sized shadow hangs over Alvarez, growing larger with each passing fight. It’s all anyone wants to talk about, and until Alvarez gets in the ring with the 160-pound destroyer, it’s all anyone will.

Here’s the thing: The negativity directed at Alvarez has reached a critical mass because everyone — Alvarez, De La Hoya, Golden Boy Promotions — has fed it. Flashback to last fall: Alvarez had just claimed a middleweight title, outpointing Miguel Cotto, himself a blown-up junior middleweight. Suddenly, Alvarez was a 160-pounder; suddenly, Alvarez was a Golovkin foe.
Canelo Alvarez finished off Liam Smith in the ninth round on Saturday. (Getty)
Canelo Alvarez finished off Liam Smith in the ninth round on Saturday. (Getty)

Had Alvarez said he didn’t feel ready for middleweight, that he was dropping back to 154 pounds until his then-25-year-old body naturally developed, it would have been over. We would still clamor for Alvarez-Golovkin, sure, but we wouldn’t be feverishly demanding it the way we are now.

Except he didn’t. When asked about Golovkin, the Spanish-speaking Alvarez said, in perfect English, “I am ready.” After flattening Amir Khan last May, Alvarez pointed a gloved finger Golovkin, sitting ringside, and waved him into the ring. Later, he declared his body ready for 160 pounds while De La Hoya goofily told reporters that Golovkin’s promoter, Tom Loeffler, better be ready for his call on Monday morning.

The only meaningful call anyone made was to the WBC, alerting the sanctioning body that Alvarez would be dropping his title rather than defend it against Golovkin.

Alvarez buried himself in his rhetoric. And his team has looked foolish trying to dig him out of it. All week Alvarez, De La Hoya, even Bernard Hopkins, were peppered with questions about Golovkin, about why reporters were grudgingly covering a mismatch instead of giddily writing about the biggest fight in boxing.

The responses were comical, grown men spinning wild narratives like teenagers looking for an acceptable explanation for why they broke curfew.

Canelo isn’t ready to move up in weight

Hang on…

No, it’s the money. Golovkin’s team wants too much money.

Wait, wait, that’s not it…

It’s happening, the fight just needs to build a little longer.

One more…

I made an offer—I’m still waiting for a call back

That last one — declared by De La Hoya last week and tacitly endorsed by Alvarez, when he said he made a big offer to Golovkin a month ago — was just the latest in a seemingly never-ending string of excuses to steer clear of Golovkin. De La Hoya doubled down on that one after the fight, saying he made an eight-figure offer to Golovkin for next September and that Golovkin’s promoter, Tom Loeffler, has refused to negotiate.

Here, though, the devil is in the details. Golovkin isn’t a flat-fee opponent. He’s the unified middleweight champion who has sold out shows in New York, Los Angeles and London and did a credible number — 150,000 buys — in his first foray on pay-per-view last year. He’s the B-side, sure, but he’s the lighter side of a 60-40 split.

And even if Golovkin was inclined to take a fee, why would he do it now? His value today may not be what it will be next year. Golovkin’s biggest fight is Alvarez, but there are marketable, credible fighters in front of him. Danny Jacobs is Golovkin’s mandatory challenger. That’s a sold-out fight in New York that will attract in excess of 1.5 million viewers on HBO. Billy Joe Saunders — the WBO titleholder who owns the last piece of the middleweight crown — posted a YouTube video declaring he was ready, willing and able to fight Golovkin. That’s another sold-out building in the U.K. — and a big payday.

Tack those two fights on to Golovkin’s résumé, he’s in a brand-new tax bracket. And Golden Boy knows this. They needed to fight back against a tsunami of bad press and they found a nifty narrative to push. But the reality is this: Golovkin has never made outlandish financial demands and is genuinely driven by a desire to fight the best. A reasonable offer will instantly be agreed to.

Late Saturday night, Canelo faced reporters, a fresh bandage wrapped around his bruised right hand, the same tired message coming out of his mouth. He wants to fight Golovkin. He is probably done at 154. He made a big offer, two or three times what Golovkin has ever earned. He’s waiting to hear back.

It’s clear he believes what he says. And it’s just as clear no one else does.

That was WAY TOO boring to READ! But why not just take the Flat Fee DOE!!!

Always GOD DAMN EXCUSES with GGG!!!!

Ward not A Side!
Saunders WANTS 2 MUCH!!!
Canelo We WANT 50/50 *** Flat Fee!!!
Floyd ONLY at 160
Chavez ONLY with a $1,000,000 per/penaly contract
Ward only at 164
Brook ONLY at 160
Eubank know one knows but ALWAYS we tell the media it's THEM!
Anyone at 168!!!! And NEVER HAPPENS!!!!


DOE!

I'll BET any **** SUCKING GGGGGGG Fan right NOW he NEVER fights a 168lber at 168 THIS year or NEXT!!!

[Scipio2009]

De la Hoya is trying one of Floyd's tactics...lol. Remember when Mayweather offered Manny a $40m flat fee for their fight and when Manny declined everyone blamed him ? Same tactic here. GBP are playing games and trying to save face here , but knowledgeable fans won't fall for it !! Now you casuals.... that's another story.

Floyd's offer was a way around working with Arum to still make the fight, with Pacquiao getting his money of the front end, Mayweather would need the fight to do 1m PPV buys to cover costs, with Floyd only making his own $40m were the fight to approach ODLH-Mayweather numbers.

Alvarez does way bigger business than Golovkin does; would not shock me if Alvarez is currently doing 7/8 times Golovkin's business.

Rather than offering a 10/90 split (difference in business, plus giving Golovkin the weight), Golden Boy offered up a package that is allegedly worth at least $10m. @$60 per PPV, 350k PPV buys becomes Golden Boy's breakeven point, with Alvarez only getting a 15/85 share of the proceeds if the event does north of 1.25m PPV buys.

Not that complicated. After Mayweather's $40m offer was rejected, what did things look like for Pacquiao?

Even with the fight being markedly bigger, all anyone is sure that Pacquiao got is a initial cheque from Arum (there was a link that said the cheque was for $50m, but have seen video where folks were talking of the actual amount being significantly less than that), and that the take was "so big" that Pacquiao was back in the ring, within six months of "retiring", talking about needing to fight to support his family. lol

[Scipio2009]

I'm assuming it was a flat fee or something like 90/10 as Oscar mentioned before..

If K2 is expecting more than $10m or north of a 10/90 share on the full event, considering the fact that Golovkin does nowhere near the business that Alvarez does, K2 doesn't want to make the fight.

[Scipio2009]

Everyone seem to forget that Triple G is the one with all the belts,he only wants to fight Canelo so he can once and for all kick his little red ass.He can make plenty of money without the two little whiney *****es,Canyello and Delawhoya.

Alvarez has made it clear that Golovkin's belts (all of which were basically handed to him) don't actually mean **** to him. If Golovkin wanted to fight Canelo, an offer for the fight (no one is denying it) is already in hand.

From K2's actions, it looks like Golovkin cares a lot more about the money that he could get, rather than the actual fight.

[PoserExposer]

Nooooo mames!!!

Cmon bro. You too are drinking the kool aid? If everyone has a problem with K2 (which is an outright pull out of your as statement), then please elaborate who has had problems with them. There's only been one fighter who was told give me my belt....ok here you go and gave it up like a mocosa after a quinceñera for fear of fighting GGG. Well there's no guessing there, you know who that is. Zero to do with money and everything to do with Canelo feeling like the WBC "forced him" to fight his mandatory. You very well know that but you're a casual and a Canelo groupie so you're reaching as always.

As far as we all know, GGG has fought everyone put before him. BJ Saunders only wants the fight AFTER GGG is committed. Eubank, well he didn't have a pen. Jacobs? Well he has be be forced to fight GGG or he'll fight the Latin Snakes of the world. Canelo? Well he has low testosterone or had his balls castrated. If you think for a second that they were ready to fight then he wouldn't have given up his belt and dropped back down to fight the weakest 154 champion in Liam Smith. Nice try though bro.

I'm Mexican, straight from Piedras Negras and there's nothing worse than a Mexican bowing down and fearing another man. Puro joto, puro flonque y maricon de a primeras. Worse off, you're defending Canelo. Says a lot about you bro. "We're ready to sign but we're not ready to fight until September of 2017!" Get the F out of here fool...you're a sucker for defending that ish!

It's amazing how EVERYONE has problems with K2 but K2???

[littlemac]

Glolovkin's team sounds like its being run exactly like the Manny team. Both contradicting themselves.

[basic_bounty]

Chris Mannix's Yahoo article gets right to the point. Canelo is ducking pure and simple. The only reason people are still making stuff up about GGG is that they can't read.

[Bronx2245]

September 18, 2016:

"Here, though, the devil is in the details. Golovkin isn’t a flat-fee opponent. He’s the unified middleweight champion who has sold out shows in New York, Los Angeles and London and did a credible number — 150,000 buys — in his first foray on pay-per-view last year. He’s the B-side, sure, but he’s the lighter side of a 60-40 split.

And even if Golovkin was inclined to take a fee, why would he do it now? His value today may not be what it will be next year. Golovkin’s biggest fight is Alvarez, but there are marketable, credible fighters in front of him. Danny Jacobs is Golovkin’s mandatory challenger. That’s a sold-out fight in New York that will attract in excess of 1.5 million viewers on HBO. Billy Joe Saunders — the WBO titleholder who owns the last piece of the middleweight crown — posted a YouTube video declaring he was ready, willing and able to fight Golovkin. That’s another sold-out building in the U.K. — and a big payday."

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/canelo-...075939506.html

Not sure I agree with Mr. Mannix. Why do it now? Because if one guy loses along the way, it could blow up the whole fight! I'll hold final judgement for the gate & PPV numbers. A lot of people say "Canelo is losing his fan base...he's being criticized and called names, etc" but over 51,000 in attendance tells me something different. Floyd was the most hated fighter, and the highest paid athlete in the world! Why? People kept paying to see him win, lose, or draw!

[MagikLair]

If K2 is expecting more than $10m or north of a 10/90 share on the full event, considering the fact that Golovkin does nowhere near the business that Alvarez does, K2 doesn't want to make the fight.

You're right GGG isn't doing anywhere near the business that Alvarez does. However, you put the two together and have a mega fight.. 100+ million..