Comments Thread For: Golovkin's Manager: Canelo, De La Hoya Have a Team Code To Lie!

[MagikLair]

I'm assuming it was a flat fee or something like 90/10 as Oscar mentioned before..

[bryguy442]

Quit lying ODH !!!!!

Can you believe that guy ? What a piece of lying ****t! They are only good at trying to deceive the public about Canelo. Let him put his signature on the contract and get on with it!!

[Jubei]

Here is the article from Yahoo, great great summary of the whole situation and just proves what kind of businessmen and pretenders Oscar and Canelo are.

Canelo Alvarez and Golden Boy know exactly what it'll take for him to no longer be derided
[By Chris Mannix]
chrismannixblog
September 18, 2016

ARLINGTON, Texas – They embraced in the ring, promoter and fighter, boxing legend and young star well on his way to getting there. There is so much Oscar De La Hoya in Canelo Alvarez. From the magnetic personality to the concussive power, the boyish good looks to rock-star popularity, there are few obstacles preventing Alvarez from earning the type of mainstream success De La Hoya once enjoyed.

Actually, there’s just one.

Alvarez knocked out Liam Smith on Saturday, in a fight that played out exactly how anyone with even a cursory understanding of the matchup expected. Smith — a nominal titleholder with no résumé to speak of — was game but overmatched by Alvarez, who assaulted Smith’s body for eight rounds before finishing him in the ninth with a savage left hand just under Smith’s ribcage. The crowd — 51,420, a boxing record for Jerry Jones’s AT&T stadium — roared, Alvarez preened and a couple hundred thousand fans who forked over $65 for this mismatch started searching for Seinfeld.

And…that’s it. A fight that had been savaged for weeks met its inch-high expectations. And that, friends, is the problem. Once, Canelo was branded fearless. He rushed into the ring with the likes of Austin Trout and Erislandy Lara, high-risk/low-reward fights valuable only to a fighter determined to prove he was the best. He was De La Hoya, burnishing his résumé regularly against elite foes.

Today? He’s a punch line. Chickenelo is a part of the boxing lexicon. Duckanelo, too. A Gennady Golovkin-sized shadow hangs over Alvarez, growing larger with each passing fight. It’s all anyone wants to talk about, and until Alvarez gets in the ring with the 160-pound destroyer, it’s all anyone will.

Here’s the thing: The negativity directed at Alvarez has reached a critical mass because everyone — Alvarez, De La Hoya, Golden Boy Promotions — has fed it. Flashback to last fall: Alvarez had just claimed a middleweight title, outpointing Miguel Cotto, himself a blown-up junior middleweight. Suddenly, Alvarez was a 160-pounder; suddenly, Alvarez was a Golovkin foe.
Canelo Alvarez finished off Liam Smith in the ninth round on Saturday. (Getty)
Canelo Alvarez finished off Liam Smith in the ninth round on Saturday. (Getty)

Had Alvarez said he didn’t feel ready for middleweight, that he was dropping back to 154 pounds until his then-25-year-old body naturally developed, it would have been over. We would still clamor for Alvarez-Golovkin, sure, but we wouldn’t be feverishly demanding it the way we are now.

Except he didn’t. When asked about Golovkin, the Spanish-speaking Alvarez said, in perfect English, “I am ready.” After flattening Amir Khan last May, Alvarez pointed a gloved finger Golovkin, sitting ringside, and waved him into the ring. Later, he declared his body ready for 160 pounds while De La Hoya goofily told reporters that Golovkin’s promoter, Tom Loeffler, better be ready for his call on Monday morning.

The only meaningful call anyone made was to the WBC, alerting the sanctioning body that Alvarez would be dropping his title rather than defend it against Golovkin.

Alvarez buried himself in his rhetoric. And his team has looked foolish trying to dig him out of it. All week Alvarez, De La Hoya, even Bernard Hopkins, were peppered with questions about Golovkin, about why reporters were grudgingly covering a mismatch instead of giddily writing about the biggest fight in boxing.

The responses were comical, grown men spinning wild narratives like teenagers looking for an acceptable explanation for why they broke curfew.

Canelo isn’t ready to move up in weight

Hang on…

No, it’s the money. Golovkin’s team wants too much money.

Wait, wait, that’s not it…

It’s happening, the fight just needs to build a little longer.

One more…

I made an offer—I’m still waiting for a call back

That last one — declared by De La Hoya last week and tacitly endorsed by Alvarez, when he said he made a big offer to Golovkin a month ago — was just the latest in a seemingly never-ending string of excuses to steer clear of Golovkin. De La Hoya doubled down on that one after the fight, saying he made an eight-figure offer to Golovkin for next September and that Golovkin’s promoter, Tom Loeffler, has refused to negotiate.

Here, though, the devil is in the details. Golovkin isn’t a flat-fee opponent. He’s the unified middleweight champion who has sold out shows in New York, Los Angeles and London and did a credible number — 150,000 buys — in his first foray on pay-per-view last year. He’s the B-side, sure, but he’s the lighter side of a 60-40 split.

And even if Golovkin was inclined to take a fee, why would he do it now? His value today may not be what it will be next year. Golovkin’s biggest fight is Alvarez, but there are marketable, credible fighters in front of him. Danny Jacobs is Golovkin’s mandatory challenger. That’s a sold-out fight in New York that will attract in excess of 1.5 million viewers on HBO. Billy Joe Saunders — the WBO titleholder who owns the last piece of the middleweight crown — posted a YouTube video declaring he was ready, willing and able to fight Golovkin. That’s another sold-out building in the U.K. — and a big payday.

Tack those two fights on to Golovkin’s résumé, he’s in a brand-new tax bracket. And Golden Boy knows this. They needed to fight back against a tsunami of bad press and they found a nifty narrative to push. But the reality is this: Golovkin has never made outlandish financial demands and is genuinely driven by a desire to fight the best. A reasonable offer will instantly be agreed to.

Late Saturday night, Canelo faced reporters, a fresh bandage wrapped around his bruised right hand, the same tired message coming out of his mouth. He wants to fight Golovkin. He is probably done at 154. He made a big offer, two or three times what Golovkin has ever earned. He’s waiting to hear back.

It’s clear he believes what he says. And it’s just as clear no one else does.

[Tozo]

Everyone seem to forget that Triple G is the one with all the belts,he only wants to fight Canelo so he can once and for all kick his little red ass.He can make plenty of money without the two little whiney *****es,Canyello and Delawhoya.

[Czarczar]

Lol

Lil G thinks he's the A side. He should be on his knees thanking Canelo for an opportunity to fight him.

[Czarczar]

Everyone seem to forget that Triple G is the one with all the belts,he only wants to fight Canelo so he can once and for all kick his little red ass.He can make plenty of money without the two little whiney *****es,Canyello and Delawhoya.

Canelo just won a belt at 154. Lil G should be on his knees.

[Scipio2009]

Who cares about "the offer" of $10 mil when the fight may generate $200 mil? Canelo and Cotto both made more than $10 mil for their fight even though Canelo-GGG is going to do twice the numbers in my opinion. Would you take a 95/5 split and give up $70 million dollars from what you should earn?

This is exactly what GGG predicted GBP would do, that they would make him a historically bad lowball offer, then claim he didn't want the fight when he didn't accept it.

And some of yall so ******, you fell for it even after GGG told yall exactly how they was gonna play it! Hot damn bro hot damn. GGG showed yall the blueprint of how they was gonna con yall, and one week later yall still feel for the same con! Come on bro learn to peep the game ****.

Golovkin's only foray onto PPV, under the rosiest of projection, did $7m in business while selling $100k in merch (K2 has never gone public with what the gate number was). If Golovkin generated $10m in total revenues, I'd be shocked.

Alvarez's live gate for the Liam Smith fight was likely more than what Golovkin-Lemieux generated on PPV, yet Golovkin is supposed to be arguing over a split? lol

Alvarez doesn't have to fight Golovkin; he can literally fight Willie Monroe Jr in December, fight Billy Joe Saunders early 2017, fight David Lemieux May 2017, and Chris Eubank Jr on MID weekend 2017, and take home $60m without much sweat.

Golovkin doesn't have a single fight (unless Golovkin-Jacobs catches the fever of the casual fan somehow), besides Canelo, that would even get him $5m.

For the life of me, I can't figure out why Golovkin's fans seem to earnestly believe that none of boxing's limitations actually apply to Golovkin.

Even Floyd Mayweather, wunderkind talent that he was, had to take a 25/75 split on Oscar's terms to get that fight (for the simple fact that that was what the relative business dictated the split to be).

a 10/90 split is about all Golovkin actually merits anyway, if folks are honest.

Golovkin missing out on $70m? from where?

[Scipio2009]

stfu

what tf do you know about any offer ?

use your brains for once.

what does offer looks like? 12mil 157?

If the offer was actually $12m @157lbs, why wouldn't K2/Abel Sanchez go public with that, continuing their push to try and discredit Alvarez? lol

[Shadoww702]

Rtard? The Don is not familiar with the word, is that English? And I'm not sure what that has to do with my original question but it seems you don't have the answer.

Stay away from high places and shape objects kid, I'm afraid you might hurt yourself one day,

Now you're dismissed.

Stay away from ppl like me who actually know about boxing clown. Because you don't know SHT about boxing or boxers. Trolling 101 is your thing PROFESSOR.

[Shadoww702]

You're misinformed as usual. Watch Saunders most recent interview he says whatever the initial offer was, possibly the $1.5 you've heard of I don't know, that he rejected it and then they came back and offered him "what he wanted," presumably the 4 mil being talked about. He says the fight just didn't happen at that time but the reason he keeps calling out GGG now and says for sure money won't be an issue, that nothing will prevent it from happening, is because he "knows I will get what I want now."

It's amazing how 20 people have either ducked GGG or said "I'll fight him but not next" but every time you find some excuse why it's GGG's fault. I bet you thought Floyd actually wanted to fight Pacquiao in his prime when he offered him a flat fee too lmao. So ******. And Chavez Jr? Wasn't that fight going to be at 168? So GGG is already going up 8 pounds in weight to fight a guy who will weigh 20 pounds heavier on fight night, but you're blaming GGG for putting in penalties if Chavez misses weight? You won't blame Jacobs, Canelo, Froch, Ramirez, Quillin, Sturm, Martinez, Cotto, Chavez etc etc etc for ducking GGG, but you're going to nitpick the order of negotiations with Chavez?

First off, you don't even know what order things went down. They probably said from the beginning there would be a big penalty for missing weight, but we'll get to it once the other terms are sorted out, and then when they specified Chavez used it as an excuse. Remember at the time Chavez's excuse was the Top Rank contract extension, not GGG's side? So just like Team Canelo, Chavez can't even get his excuses straight lmao.

Secondly, if it truly did come up late in negotiations, that may have been because Loeffler heard Chavez wasn't planning to make the weight, or wasn't sure he could.

Either way, under no circumstances is it the fault of the fighter coming in weight for demanding a steep penalty if the bigger fighter misses weight. Otherwise you get situations like Floyd-Marquez where a cheater like Floyd pulls up a smaller fighter and then still misses weight. Which is, just like all your excuses for ducking fighters,

Your an idiot. Everyone knows how CHEAP K2 is! And you want me to believe they were going to pay Saunders more than ANYONE else??? Damn your DUMB!