Boxing's obsession with the 0

[Vasyl’s dad]

There is no obsession with it. Only new booty floyd fans care about 0s.

[LoadedWraps]

The 0 is impressive to a point. When a fighter has 20 or 30 fights and has never lossed, there can be no doubt that they are doing something right. It does look good in the beginning and on the surface.

However, it usually tells very little. A guy can face twenty or thirty bums for sure and even squeak by some of them and still be undefeated, although not impressively. In historic times, records were never mentioned when fighters were introduced in a fight. I think this was better TBH.

Records and the keeping of them is important. This tells us a good portion of the story, although not all obviously. You can get on boxrec and see how Hector Camacho defeated Roberto Duran by decision in their first fight, although everyone who saw the fight had Duran ahead, including the announcers sitting at ringside. Most people felt that Whitaker beat Chavez, but the record stats the fight was a draw. many felt that Mayweather himself lost to Castillo and potentially DLH and Maidana. Rocky Marciano never technically lost but he had several close calls. Calzaghe never technically lost but some of his decision wins have been disputed. Ricardo Lopez never lost as an amateur or a pro which is mind blowing. Many felt that he did lose a fight against Rosendo Alvarez, but the record indicates it was a draw. So undefeated technically isn't always undefeated in the eyes of the fans.

In closing, I feel that records are an indicator but only on the surface. Jake LaMotta had losses in the double digits as did Duran, Robinson and so many other greats through the sport's history. However, I don't believe it hurt their legacies or deterred them from becoming the legends they ended up becoming by one little bit. And of course, some feel that an undefeated fighter only has yet to be in a real fight.

Fantastic post. Well said.

[R_Walken]

Damn Larry with a pic of Huey Newton now , Going straight militant. I don't know who's getting more mentally prepared for NOv 19 Kov,Ward,Larry or Freedom

I have a opinion on both fights but don't feel like getting into it now.

For me I could care less about the 0, 99% of fighters leave the game with at least a couple losses if I'm a fan of the fighter I don't care if they lose and it isn't really the be all end all, even though it holds some cache and understandably so

To the F.ucking reject blaming Floyd, You guys are a bunch of losers at life f.agots this isn't because of Mayweather, The reason you can't get v.agina and have a sh.itty life isn't his fault either

The game is set up now that loses matter. Just say You have 200 fighters in a division all Vying For a strap or notoriety. If you catch a loss you instantly get put 2tiers back because fighters fight so seldom it's the best way to gauge who the cream of the crop is and who is worth going forward. Once your established Ls don't carry as much weight especially if you have some clout.

As for the q.ueer who said boxing has 2 good fights a year you sound like a f.ucking tool

As far as the UFC, I feel the publics getting fooled about their best always fighting the best. That sh.it has become more circus then sport and is mostly hype and they know how to sell it . The last fight featured a wrestler in Punk , Diaz /Connor was a exciting fight but Diaz has never been a top notch contender. UFC 200 again featured a WWE wrestler, a shot legend and I believe a women's match as the headliner that's pathetic I don't care how you cut it. Can you imagine if boxing pulled this f.uckery, lets do a PPV with Jon Cena , a women's fight and throw James Toney in the mix with 1 decent fight thrown in there , yeah that's some great sh.it right there. Where are these elite fights happening because I see more bullsh.it then actual sport ?

Sorry for the rant and talking about 4 different things most of which has nothing to do with the thread

[Tony Trick-Pony]

Fantastic post. Well said.

Thanks, man! I hate that I spelled out lossed. Haha. Don't know what I was thinking.

[casheddie]

Now I know you don't know much about boxing or the UFC. Nate Diaz was a handpicked opponent by McGregor, a handpick that backfired. Diaz is a guy who has 11 losses and never won a title and he still whooped McGregor's ass the first time they fought, and he did it without training. That's embarrassing. A lot of the fighters on the UFC's roster were clowning McGregor afterwards. Sometimes, even a cherry picked opponent can end up upsetting the favorite and it happens more so in the UFC than in boxing because there are so many different ways to lose.

People aren't "obsessed" with the zero. People want to see greatness, they want to see dominance. When a guy goes undefeated for years he creates an aura of invicibility around him and we as human beings like to see that. Which is why Mayweather was a bigger draw than Pacquiao despite Pacquiao being the more fan friendly fighter. Dominance brings both adoration and animosity which makes people tune in either to see someone lose or to see if they can continue winning.

It's so pathetic when guys like you wanna call others ignorant and say they don't know anything. It's so obvious by the way you said he was "cherry picked". Let me give you the backstory princess. Conor was in camp to fight the champion at the 155 lb weight class. BEFORE this fight, Nate Diaz called out McGregor and said he is the real fight and he won't get punched like the others. Then when Dos Anjos the 155 lb champ pulled out due to injury, they called Nate Diaz on 10 days notice.

They knew he wasn't in camp so McGregor offered the 170 lb limit and they made the fight happen.

Now I know you lied about the fight because you said Diaz whooped Conor. Anybody who saw the first fight can tell you the first round was a clinic by McGregor and Diaz was getting cut until Conor gassed. You re right about Mayweather and Pac but for example for the Cotto PPV. Pac did 1.25 ppv buys and Floyd did 1.5 mil.

Theres a difference but it's not night and day despite Manny having losses on his record and Floyd being undefeated.

[casheddie]

why cause pac-roid lost his HAHAHA

Nah cause Floyd "IV" Mayweather cheated

[Kigali]

boxers use to have a ufc type schedule, hence why all the old school ATGs have tons of losses..

It really wasn't till PPv that everyone got protected till they could be cashed out in a PPv fight... As boxing's popularity waned due to soft match making, it became harder and harder to cash guys out on PPv, hence why you got guys like danny, wilder, etc just wasting time in hopes of some major fight

How did you leave out Golovkin???

He's the main perpetrator....and the oldest

[casheddie]

Damn Larry with a pic of Huey Newton now , Going straight militant. I don't know who's getting more mentally prepared for NOv 19 Kov,Ward,Larry or Freedom

I have a opinion on both fights but don't feel like getting into it now.

For me I could care less about the 0, 99% of fighters leave the game with at least a couple losses if I'm a fan of the fighter I don't care if they lose and it isn't really the be all end all, even though it holds some cache and understandably so

To the F.ucking reject blaming Floyd, You guys are a bunch of losers at life f.agots this isn't because of Mayweather, The reason you can't get v.agina and have a sh.itty life isn't his fault either

The game is set up now that loses matter. Just say You have 200 fighters in a division all Vying For a strap or notoriety. If you catch a loss you instantly get put 2tiers back because fighters fight so seldom it's the best way to gauge who the cream of the crop is and who is worth going forward. Once your established Ls don't carry as much weight especially if you have some clout.

As for the q.ueer who said boxing has 2 good fights a year you sound like a f.ucking tool

As far as the UFC, I feel the publics getting fooled about their best always fighting the best. That sh.it has become more circus then sport and is mostly hype and they know how to sell it . The last fight featured a wrestler in Punk , Diaz /Connor was a exciting fight but Diaz has never been a top notch contender. UFC 200 again featured a WWE wrestler, a shot legend and I believe a women's match as the headliner that's pathetic I don't care how you cut it. Can you imagine if boxing pulled this f.uckery, lets do a PPV with Jon Cena , a women's fight and throw James Toney in the mix with 1 decent fight thrown in there , yeah that's some great sh.it right there. Where are these elite fights happening because I see more bullsh.it then actual sport ?

Sorry for the rant and talking about 4 different things most of which has nothing to do with the thread

I say it's Mayweather's fault because the great competition under Haymon's umbrella of fighters all follow the Mayweather formula. They look to fight bums and then get to the real competition later.

When you talk about UFC fooling their audience you have to remember that you are a casual UFC fan and a hardcore boxing fan. The way you look at Diaz/McGregor and criticize is like some casual telling me boxing is boring because they watched May-Pac and didn't like it.

If you watched the UFC often you would know that they had a great fight just two weeks ago.

And you guys bringing up CM Punk all the time is such a cop out for the great competitive fights the UFC always puts up. Just because thats the fight you saw doesn't mean it's how the UFC is.

In boxing 60% of fights are considered mismatched, in the UFC it's probably 10%.

[Kigali]

There is no obsession with it. Only new booty floyd fans care about 0s.

You Golovkin flunkies are obsessed with his 0.

A bunch of recycled Pacta.rds infested with rabies.

[Kigali]

I say it's Mayweather's fault because the great competition under Haymon's umbrella of fighters all follow the Mayweather formula. They look to fight bums and then get to the real competition later.

When you talk about UFC fooling their audience you have to remember that you are a casual UFC fan and a hardcore boxing fan. The way you look at Diaz/McGregor and criticize is like some casual telling me boxing is boring because they watched May-Pac and didn't like it.

If you watched the UFC often you would know that they had a great fight just two weeks ago.

And you guys bringing up CM Punk all the time is such a cop out for the great competitive fights they put up.

In boxing 60% of fights are considered mismatched, in the UFC it's probably 10%.

You just described K2's formula.

Mayweather has challenged himself far more than GGG has.