why is hagler rated sooo highly?? :/

[nacho daddy]

The two "welterweights" Hagler fought were both world champions at 154 before moving up to MW. Oh, and 2 of the absolute greatest fighters of all time who went on to win titles at higher weights than middleweight. The "lightweight" was also a champion at 154 before moving up to middleweight.

Hagler was THE middleweight champion for 7 years, and during his reign the only fighter that managed to go the distance was Duran. He spent years before he was champion being ducked and beating the best middleweights. Basically, he was the best fighter in the division for somewhere around a decade and proved it over and over.

bunch of bull Michael spinks begged hagler to move up instead he fought the LW Duran who is the bravest fighter I ever saw. vito went 15 with hagler

[THC]

Hagler is rated highly because whenever he was confronted with a serious challenge, he stepped up rather than leverage BUSINESS to protect his status as the undisputed MW champion.

While Leonard, Hearns, Duran, and arguably Mugabi, carried the notariety, Hagler just said, "bring it."

I'm absolutely certain that he wouldn't have dropped a championship belt to avoid GGG. This is the fundamental difference between Team Wannabe (Canelo, Saunders, Jacobs, Eubanks, Lara, etc) and Hagler.

Most def, PLS DO NOT EVER mention Hagler, Canelo, and "true champion" in the same sentence.

[nacho daddy]

Hagler lost to and drew with absolute bums.


just LMAO @ his claim to fame is getting his ass beaten by a career WW.


also goin life and death with a career 135er.

and life an death with light punching antuofermo who rocked him in the late rounds, hagler would have had to go to CW to match what duran did going to MW

[bklynboy]

GGG fans showing their true colors...sit back and enjoy people

I'm a GGG fan. I don't think GGG needs to go up in weight to prove his greatness. I think post-Pacquiao obsession with moving up in weight has become pure foolishness.

I think GGG outclasses Canelo, Lara, Quillen, BJS. Jacobs and Eubank would be interesting. Could they get inside and **** with GGG. They could get inside but I think that GGG would win the war

But Hagler is another story. He had a first class chin (as does GGG); he had power (not as much as GGG) but he could fight inside very effectively. I think stylistically Hagler has the advantage. He also faced a lot better competition which also gives him the edge.

I think this would be a great fight. And the advantage is Hagler all the way.

So. Not all GGG fans are fan-boys.

[just the facts]

Well, that would take quite a while.

Duran, Leonard and Hearns for starters.

So being 62-3 with 52 KOes (2 of those loses could easily be disputed), UNDISPUTED middleweight champ for damn near 8 years, ducked absolutely no one. Robbed of the title in his 1st attempt, beat 2 out of the greats you named and the one he lost to is disputed (I thought Leonard squeeked by). All this doesn't = great? Man you standards are high.

[just the facts]

bunch of bull Michael spinks begged hagler to move up instead he fought the LW Duran who is the bravest fighter I ever saw. vito went 15 with hagler

Spinks begged Hagler? Proof or are you distorting facts to fit your agenda? Even if that was true (it isn't) why would Hagler fight Spinks for half the money he would make vs Duran? Can't argue with Durans bravery. No shame in going 15 with that version of Vito. I like how you conveniently left out that Hagler really won that fight and absolutely butchered Vito in the rematch.

[Ray Corso]

His standards aren't high he doesn't know what he's talking about.
To talk about Vito as if he's a walk in the park is a joke!
To put someone down to try and raise your favorite up shows me the person who does that has no real knowledge of the sport and the history of the sport.
Hagler has one of the best records at 160 and the men on that record are some of the best contenders in any era.


Seales (3)
Watts (2)
Monroe (3)
Colbert
Finnigan (2)
Geraldo
Minter
Obelmejias
Hamsho (2)
Lee
Sibson
Scyprion
Duran
Rolden
Hearns
Magumbi
Leonard

The men on Haglers record are far superior to the men GGG has fought to date. It's not even close! 67 bouts 52 via KO/tko and has NEVER been stopped!

I like GGG a lot but he is NOT on Haglers turf yet by any means. The skill level is far apart and without the punch GGG would be an average talent.
I know he can box much better than his showing last week and will have to in his future fights or he will get beat! He will puff up, and I believe he will cut too. I believe his heart is intact but will his power last through 10 full rounds of a testing fight?
We know Hagler did!

Ray

[LetOutTheCage]

I'm a GGG fan but this is embarrassing...Those 2 Welterweights finished their careers Light Heavy and Crusier Weight respectively, Duran finished at Super middle and they were all relatively successful at those weights. These are guys are ATG's that would be better than anyone GGG has faced or will likely ever face (even if he fought Ward).

Hagglers loss to SRL was debatable, he dominated a freak of nature in Hearns and he wasnt his best against Duran but still shook Duran in the end and had him hurt.

John Mugabi was an Olympic Silver Medalist (like Golovkin), Had ko'ed or TKO'ed all 25 fighters before he fought Haggler. So like GGG he was was known for being incredibly powerful and he was feared. Haggler who had lost much of his footwork opted to stand and trade with a monster like Mugabi and he physically and mentally broke Mugabi down.

I would fancy Haggler in a tear-up or Haggler could simply outbox GGG,I just dont see a prime Haggler losing to GGG.

[The Big Dunn]

His standards aren't high he doesn't know what he's talking about.
To talk about Vito as if he's a walk in the park is a joke!
To put someone down to try and raise your favorite up shows me the person who does that has no real knowledge of the sport and the history of the sport.
Hagler has one of the best records at 160 and the men on that record are some of the best contenders in any era.


Seales (3)
Watts (2)
Monroe (3)
Colbert
Finnigan (2)
Geraldo
Minter
Obelmejias
Hamsho (2)
Lee
Sibson
Scyprion
Duran
Rolden
Hearns
Magumbi
Leonard

The men on Haglers record are far superior to the men GGG has fought to date. It's not even close! 67 bouts 52 via KO/tko and has NEVER been stopped!

I like GGG a lot but he is NOT on Haglers turf yet by any means. The skill level is far apart and without the punch GGG would be an average talent.
I know he can box much better than his showing last week and will have to in his future fights or he will get beat! He will puff up, and I believe he will cut too. I believe his heart is intact but will his power last through 10 full rounds of a testing fight?
We know Hagler did!

Ray

Great Post. Thank you. This really sums everything up nicely. I would just add the Antefuermo fights. The draw was a complete robbery that outraged everyone in boxing.

I am biased because Hagler is my all time favorite. I am not a GGG fan. I have stayed away from this thread so as not to go ape shit on someone.

[nacho daddy]

Spinks begged Hagler? Proof or are you distorting facts to fit your agenda? Even if that was true (it isn't) why would Hagler fight Spinks for half the money he would make vs Duran? Can't argue with Durans bravery. No shame in going 15 with that version of Vito. I like how you conveniently left out that Hagler really won that fight and absolutely butchered Vito in the rematch.

half the money??? he gets KO'd by spinks. but rather fight a short armed 5"5 LW. you look it up I aint your secretary