Comments Thread For: Gennady Golovkin Smiles: I Think Now Billy Joe Saunders is Ready!

[casheddie]

Triple G has to exit this division soon, I say we have GGG vs Saunders and at the same time have Jacobs vs Eubank Jr. to fight the winner.

[hitking]

out of all the possible names bjs is the fight i want to see the least id rather see degale, eubank, jacobs personally but i get why a saunders fight would be made

As much as I think GGG's "unification quest" is a complete crock of ****. A crock that he's used to delay moving up. And to be able to feast on a bad division without much criticism. I hope like hell that BJS is the next opponent. Because even though BJS is a total bum and waste of time. At least the unification excuse will be gone. Of course then they'll have a "verbal agreement" to fight Canelo two years down the road which forces him to stay at 60. And Hopkins defense record will be something that his lil c.ock licks would eat that up and swear its an accomplishment worthy of replacing the Statue of Liberty with a statue of GGG. At least then the unification excuse will be gone. And hopefully at least somw folks in the media will atart calling him out and pressuring him to move up.

[doninlouisiana]

Just a thought,...Without any biased opinions,.....does anyone besides myself think that quite possibly the reason GGG fought such a sloppy fight with Kell Brook may have been to lure out BJS,....the old bait and switch per say?!?!?!? Is Saunders a Romani surname ??????

I told my son before the fight with Brook vs GGG that don't be surprised if G looks terrible tonight, as G hinted at that scenario("If I was to go 12 rds or look bad, the fighters would come calling").

[Boxing Logic]

As much as I think GGG's "unification quest" is a complete crock of ****. A crock that he's used to delay moving up. And to be able to feast on a bad division without much criticism. I hope like hell that BJS is the next opponent. Because even though BJS is a total bum and waste of time. At least the unification excuse will be gone. Of course then they'll have a "verbal agreement" to fight Canelo two years down the road which forces him to stay at 60. And Hopkins defense record will be something that his lil c.ock licks would eat that up and swear its an accomplishment worthy of replacing the Statue of Liberty with a statue of GGG. At least then the unification excuse will be gone. And hopefully at least somw folks in the media will atart calling him out and pressuring him to move up.

HitKing I actually agree with you about the title defense record, because in an age with multiple titles it's kind of lame. I think getting all four belts says something though because that means you are undisputed, it proves that you were the best in your division and no one, no style, no one was left who you ducked or who could claim they were better than you.

The problem with Fl0mos though is you guys aren't consistent. I agree the title defense record just shows he's good, it doesn't mean automatic greatness, but the problem is you guys don't apply the same standard to Bhop. Before GGG was about to break the record, you guys loved the record, and said it showed how great BHop was. Bull****. If GGG is overrated then BHop is all time overrated. We saw him fight an actual great fighter when both were in their primes, RJJ vs BHop, and RJJ schooled BHop. BHop lacked speed and his power was good not great. Lost both times to Jermaine Taylor. Lost to an overrated white boy Joe Calzaghe. His biggest wins during the middleweight title defense record were two welterweights Oscar De La Hoya and Trinidad, but you guys cry about GGG fighting Brook.

It just shows your bias that you guys are inconsistent. Bernard did age very well, and moved up in a weak era at 175 and got some good wins there. But even then you guys were giving him way too much credit. He deserves credit for longevity, for defying age assuming he didn't get help with that, but not for being an elite fighter, at least not at that time. But many acted like he was.

For the five years he was doing well at 175 before fighting Kovalev, you guys said how great his wins were. Then when Kovalev beats him, I've seen dudes say "not only was BHop 50, but that was the first top opponent he'd fought in five years, so we have no idea how good he even was at 46 let alone 50." Well okay fair, that's why I knew Kovalev would win easily, because you could see the guys BHop was fighting like Murat and Cloud weren't any good. The Pascal wins were decent but close. The one other time he fought a guy with reflexes, Chad Dawson, he found a way out of the first fight and then got schooled the second time anyway.

So like you guys are trying to be "objective" about GGG now, I was being objective about BHop back then, but you guys were treating BHop back then the exact same way you claim GGG fans are treating GGG. Don't you see the hypocrisy and why people don't trust what you say when you do that? And of course the difference is BHop was almost 50, and you could see his reflexes weren't there, he was having to hold and do all sorts of tricks to even beat B level guys. GGG is at the end of his prime, still the hardest puncher in boxing pound for pound, unlike old BHop who everyone wanted to fight, people are running from GGG... so if I'm taking bets who is closer to the truth, the GGG fans who think GGG is amazing now, or the BHop fans who still thought he was an elite fighter when he was 47, 48, I think the GGG fans are closer to the truth. But you guys won't acknowledge this. You will stay in your own bubble worshiping overrated fighters because of your bias, but then at the same time criticize others for worshiping fighters who probably aren't overrated.

Just be consistent man.

[HansGruber]

I trully think GGG was open like that with Brook just to lure other boxers in.

[HansGruber]

Just a thought,...Without any biased opinions,.....does anyone besides myself think that quite possibly the reason GGG fought such a sloppy fight with Kell Brook may have been to lure out BJS,....the old bait and switch per say?!?!?!? Is Saunders a Romani surname ??????

Do you really think GGG would be so open if Brook was a heavy hitter like Lemieux, freaking guy has over 300 amateur fights.

[yngwie]

I would rather see Jacobs next, like 100x rather see Jacobs, than the Saunders fight. GGG just gave us Wade, and then Brook. Brook was an underrated matchup but still neither is what fans really wanted to see. Now you're going to go three in a row like that with Saunders? Give us the real top level athleticism fight, GGG-Jacobs, then you can make the Saunders fight for the belt. But give the fans a real great matchup first.

Of course, Jacobs has to want it next, and not just say he wants it... but Team GGG should push it all the way to purse bid, win the bid if necessary, and put it on PPV. Or tell Jacobs they will find some rich Kazakh billionaire to win the bid and put it in fricken Khazakstan unless he takes fair terms to fight on HBO PPV. That will scare him off the purse bid immediately lol.

Just ****ing make it happen for once, Loeffler. Show some of the Machiavellian tactics Haymon always uses to DUCK fights to actually MAKE the fight, for once.

What are you talking about?
The first fight for the undisputed title since around 2006 isn't more important?.
The Jacobs fight is a good one, but i rather see the fight with Saunders, considering that Jacobs is the mandatory that makes easy to make the fight with Saunders and later Jacobs, but if he fights Jacobs first, the fight with Saunders goes away.

[hitking]

HitKing I actually agree with you about the title defense record, because in an age with multiple titles it's kind of lame. I think getting all four belts says something though because that means you are undisputed, it proves that you were the best in your division and no one, no style, no one was left who you ducked or who could claim they were better than you.

The problem with Fl0mos though is you guys aren't consistent. I agree the title defense record just shows he's good, it doesn't mean automatic greatness, but the problem is you guys don't apply the same standard to Bhop. Before GGG was about to break the record, you guys loved the record, and said it showed how great BHop was. Bull****. If GGG is overrated then BHop is all time overrated. We saw him fight an actual great fighter when both were in their primes, RJJ vs BHop, and RJJ schooled BHop. BHop lacked speed and his power was good not great. Lost both times to Jermaine Taylor. Lost to an overrated white boy Joe Calzaghe. His biggest wins during the middleweight title defense record were two welterweights Oscar De La Hoya and Trinidad, but you guys cry about GGG fighting Brook.

It just shows your bias that you guys are inconsistent. Bernard did age very well, and moved up in a weak era at 175 and got some good wins there. But even then you guys were giving him way too much credit. He deserves credit for longevity, for defying age assuming he didn't get help with that, but not for being an elite fighter, at least not at that time. But many acted like he was.

For the five years he was doing well at 175 before fighting Kovalev, you guys said how great his wins were. Then when Kovalev beats him, I've seen dudes say "not only was BHop 50, but that was the first top opponent he'd fought in five years, so we have no idea how good he even was at 46 let alone 50." Well okay fair, that's why I knew Kovalev would win easily, because you could see the guys BHop was fighting like Murat and Cloud weren't any good. The Pascal wins were decent but close. The one other time he fought a guy with reflexes, Chad Dawson, he found a way out of the first fight and then got schooled the second time anyway.

So like you guys are trying to be "objective" about GGG now, I was being objective about BHop back then, but you guys were treating BHop back then the exact same way you claim GGG fans are treating GGG. Don't you see the hypocrisy and why people don't trust what you say when you do that? And of course the difference is BHop was almost 50, and you could see his reflexes weren't there, he was having to hold and do all sorts of tricks to even beat B level guys. GGG is at the end of his prime, still the hardest puncher in boxing pound for pound, unlike old BHop who everyone wanted to fight, people are running from GGG... so if I'm taking bets who is closer to the truth, the GGG fans who think GGG is amazing now, or the BHop fans who still thought he was an elite fighter when he was 47, 48, I think the GGG fans are closer to the truth. But you guys won't acknowledge this. You will stay in your own bubble worshiping overrated fighters because of your bias, but then at the same time criticize others for worshiping fighters who probably aren't overrated.

Just be consistent man.

Sorry bro. No way in hell I'm a read all of that. I did skim through. Personally, I've always been super critical of Hopkins run at middleweight. I feel like its one of the most overrated, overhyped, over celebrated accomplishments in boxing history. And for me, what validated Hopkins as a true ATG was when he moved up and beat Tarver for the true light heavyweight title, at the age he did. Now I've very well documented in saying that Hopkins run at light heavy as been a lotta smoke n mirrors. But no matter how smoke n mirrors it was. He still beat a lotta really good fighters while he was in his mid and late 40s. When you reach that age and you're still winning at a high level. That's legendary.

As for the unification still. I stopped giving a **** about belts a long time ago. The fact is, belts are pretty meaningless. You've got six recognized world titles per division when you include The Ring magazine belt and the lineal title. You've got 17 divisions. And you've all the interim, super, regular, gold, platinum, diamond, etc versions of belts that can be won. There's just too many belts and too many divisions. Its too watered down for me to take seriously. With the right political backing, you can win a lotta belts wothout ever fighting a legitimately great fighter. Just look at GGG's resume. Kell Brook, a welterweight moving up two divisions, and not a super accomplished one, is the beat fighter Gennady's fought. The best name on his middleweight resume is either Geale, Murray, or Lemieux. I'm sorry, that doesn't prove greatness. All that proves is that a very good fightet dominated piss poor competition. And Billy Joe Saunders won't do much to help that.

[REMOVE SHARK 55]

What are you talking about?
The first fight for the undisputed title since around 2006 isn't more important?.
The Jacobs fight is a good one, but i rather see the fight with Saunders, considering that Jacobs is the mandatory that makes easy to make the fight with Saunders and later Jacobs, but if he fights Jacobs first, the fight with Saunders goes away.

You just saved me the hassle of having to reply.

[REMOVE SHARK 55]

People actually think Billy Joe is piss poor competition. You need to get your heads re examined. BJS & Eubank jr are both elite Middleweights. Beating either of them will surpass any victory in his career.