Lomachenko is no P4P fighter

**BoxingFan85** · 09-13-2016, 01:04 PM

2 belts in 2 weight divisions all within 2 years, still doesn't qualify to be top 10? OK, if you say so..

Hey btw, he beat the guy who beat Salido.. Just saying..

Just forgot to add: Roy had him in his top 5 P4P, ok Roy is a racist too I recon..

**The Hammer** · 09-13-2016, 01:31 PM

Does the threadstarter hate Lomachenko for the same reason he hates Golovkin?

**DreamerUSA** · 09-13-2016, 01:34 PM

Originally posted by TheBoxingXpert

Lomachenko is no P4P fighter. You don't get to the top 10 list for losing to Salido and beating Russel Jr. I see many in here rate Lomachenko as one of the top 10 P4P boxers in the world. I know he's white and skilled, but pull yourself together, please. His resume is NOTHING. And yes, I know it's nothing because he has only had 7 fights. But nothing because of something is still nothing. And you don't become a P4P top 10 based on nothing (and no, skill color and amateur background shouldn't affect your P4P ranking neither). And no, it's not enough to just look impressive. Wilder looks impressive when fighting bums. You have to look impressive against GOOD opponents and if you got a loss to Salido, you better start racking up some good wins to make people forget that.

This whole p4p crap goes round and round. P4P is'nt based on resume, its simply a fantasy matchup between fighters if you could make them the same size, and who you think does best in that scenario. If you want to use a persons resume to break down matchups so be it, but thinking p4p is somehow all about resume is some modern horse **** that people think if they spout it enough it is true. It is'nt. No point in a p4p list if you are just going to base it off resume, you could just call it the most accomplished fighter or some ****. Most p4p lists use a combination of skill/resume, but whatever floats your boat I suppose.

**Boxfan83** · 09-13-2016, 01:38 PM

Originally posted by Freedom.

Does the threadstarter hate Lomachenko for the same reason he hates Golovkin?

I think anyone that hates both are suspect of hating them for the same reason. I dont like GGG but I think Lomancheko is an awesome talent. I dont think he is p4p yet but he definitely has the potential and if Id bet money he will crack top 10. I wish Haymon would risk putting another 1 of his guys in front of him.

**John Locke** · 09-13-2016, 01:39 PM

Originally posted by DreamerUSA

This whole p4p crap goes round and round. P4P is'nt based on resume, its simply a fantasy matchup between fighters if you could make them the same size, and who you think does best in that scenario. If you want to use a persons resume to break down matchups so be it, but thinking p4p is somehow all about resume is some modern horse **** that people think if they spout it enough it is true. It is'nt. No point in a p4p list if you are just going to base it off resume, you could just call it the most accomplished fighter or some ****. Most p4p lists use a combination of skill/resume, but whatever floats your boat I suppose.

exactly, spot on

**!! Shawn** · 09-13-2016, 01:47 PM

Originally posted by DreamerUSA

This whole p4p crap goes round and round. P4P is'nt based on resume, its simply a fantasy matchup between fighters if you could make them the same size, and who you think does best in that scenario. If you want to use a persons resume to break down matchups so be it, but thinking p4p is somehow all about resume is some modern horse **** that people think if they spout it enough it is true. It is'nt. No point in a p4p list if you are just going to base it off resume, you could just call it the most accomplished fighter or some ****. Most p4p lists use a combination of skill/resume, but whatever floats your boat I suppose.

If it was all based on resume, Donaire should have demolished Rigondeaux shouldnt he?

We all know how that played out.

**therealpugilist** · 09-13-2016, 01:51 PM

Originally posted by BoxingFan85

2 belts in 2 weight divisions all within 2 years, still doesn't qualify to be top 10? OK, if you say so..

Hey btw, he beat the guy who beat Salido.. Just saying..

Just forgot to add: Roy had him in his top 5 P4P, ok Roy is a racist too I recon..

wbo literally has the worst champions, rankings, and least notoriety

its not like he fought murderer's row

the talent is their but the resume is not......also you cant just ignore he lost to Salido, who is a solid top ten 130 pounder but far from a p4p elite guy

If he unifies at 130 then he deserves it but as of today, their are just too many fighters who've fought better comp with comparable skills.

I go back and forth on the topic, at least I did at one point. He has p4p talent but I'll wait to put him there with conviction until he beats Salido and unifies.

**Sadiqkingofko** · 09-13-2016, 01:58 PM

why is everyone basing this on race lol, I don't like Golovkin but I like Loma, I don't like Pacquaio, but I like Mayweather, but at the same time Wlad is my favorite fighter

**soul_survivor** · 09-13-2016, 02:04 PM

Originally posted by DreamerUSA

This whole p4p crap goes round and round. P4P is'nt based on resume, its simply a fantasy matchup between fighters if you could make them the same size, and who you think does best in that scenario. If you want to use a persons resume to break down matchups so be it, but thinking p4p is somehow all about resume is some modern horse **** that people think if they spout it enough it is true. It is'nt. No point in a p4p list if you are just going to base it off resume, you could just call it the most accomplished fighter or some ****. Most p4p lists use a combination of skill/resume, but whatever floats your boat I suppose.

Yeah but the fantasy element of "who beats who if all guys are the same weight" doesn't just conjure up ideas out of thin air. We need to have seen said fighter in against real top opposition. The closest Loma got to that level of opposition is against Salido and he lost. So what exactly makes him p4p if he can't even beat Salido?

With the invention of p4p due to Ray Robinson, people didn't just decide to label him a great fighter for the heck of it or cos they enjoyed his skin colour/ethnicity/nationality but because he beat damn good fighters. I mean, really good fighters at a time when the heavyweight champ was fighting bums.

Lomachenko is no P4P fighter