Everyone Wants to Talk About Floyd's IV - What About Pac-Monster's Toradol Abuse???

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Adp02


"Usada (a WADA signatory) specific gravity test (done by a dco and verified by a WADA lab as part of WADA protocol and athelete biological passport) done for Floyd is not reliable beacsue..."


...NSAC (non WADA signatory) accepted a sample which specific gravity sample (lower than their own rules nsac) from a dco (non WADA protocol) tested by quest diagnostic (non WADA acredited lab) has found Diaz in violation of marijuana use that two other test (non WADA protocol sg) couldn't because the sample was too dillute. (no athelete biological passport)


........Done over the span of 50 + pages.........never mind that WADA signatory would've violated diaz for a dilluted sample. (Athelete biological passport rules)




Not one answer to mannys toradol abuse or the thread topic.


Pact@rds are ****** people.

fl0mos: Tory-doll ain't banned by WADA, and Poochiao never actually took it cuz his team dun messed up da paperwork... but he "abusin" it.

Logical people: Lolwut?

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[ADP02]

Found the study that you are referring to. To my surprise, your study does mention both specific gravity and time! Wow! I thought these two things would be important...and what do you know? They were definitely mentioned. Now I wonder why you left those two things out. Maybe this is why:

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You're right. If you dilute 8X then marijuana metabolite can decrease from 400 to 50...IN 48 HOURS!!!!



The study does mention 8X dilution would be about 1 liter of water. What specific gravity would that equate to according to the study?

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That's right. The specific gravity would be 1.003.


So if we assume that Diaz had a marijuana metabolite amount of 400ng, how the hell did he dilute it down to 61ng in 75 minutes with a specific gravity of 1.009 when your study says it would take 48 hours with a specific gravity of 1.003 ?????? LMAOOOOOOOO!

According to your study, Diaz drank less than a liter of water, yet he diluted from well over 300ng in, let's just say 2 hours so you have no excuses. YOUR STUDY PROVES YOU WRONG! YOU'RE DONE!

[CENTER]R.I.P.

Wow!!! I showed you and your interpreted it all wrong!


Can you not read what I posted?

"Typical urine creatinine concentrations are on the order of 150 mg/dL. Current federally-regulated workplace drug testing programs have established 20 mg/dL as a cut-off for indicating a dilute specimen. Again, this cut-off reflects an approximately 8-fold dilution from typical levels. This level of dilution does
not occur with normal water consumption (e.g. after an 8 oz. (240 ml) glass of water) but rather after consumption of 1 liter (~4 glasses) of water over a short period of time (i.e. 30 minutes)."


Read below. It should not take hours to provide a urine sample. What is being said, unless Floyd mentions (documented) that he has a medical condition, he recommends a fail to comply with the requirements:

"You have been ordered to participate in a urine drug testing program. You will be expected to provide a fresh, clean, unadulterated, undiluted specimen of at least 30 mL. You will be allowed a minimum amount of time and minimal access to fluids in which to provide a specimen. Any failure to provide an adequate specimen, absent a documented medical condition which precludes your ability to provide a valid specimen, will be considered a failure to comply with the requirements of the testing program, will be reported to ……… and may include sanctions up to and including …………."



Here he mentions 30 minutes again. If it takes 24 hours, then why recommend 30 minutes instead of 3 hours wait?

"Accordingly collectors should not need to wait for several hours to obtain an adequate specimen. Current federally regulated workplace programs allow for 40 oz of water spread evenly over 3 hours. I believe that these allowances are overly generous. Typical urine production rates during the day are on the order of 1 mL/min. Thus donors with normal kidney function should be able to generate a 30 mL specimen in as little as 30 min. Thus allowing 1 hour should be sufficient. "


Here its as clear as day and night:

"For example, after rapid consumption of 1 liter of fluids shortly before a drug test, urine drug/metabolite concentrations can be reduced several-fold and remain diluted for a few hours."



Case closed!

[travestyny]

Wow!!! I showed you and your interpreted it all wrong!


Can you not read what I posted?

"Typical urine creatinine concentrations are on the order of 150 mg/dL. Current federally-regulated workplace drug testing programs have established 20 mg/dL as a cut-off for indicating a dilute specimen. Again, this cut-off reflects an approximately 8-fold dilution from typical levels. This level of dilution does
not occur with normal water consumption (e.g. after an 8 oz. (240 ml) glass of water) but rather after consumption of 1 liter (~4 glasses) of water over a short period of time (i.e. 30 minutes)."


Read below. It should not take hours to provide a urine sample. What is being said, unless Floyd mentions (documented) that he has a medical condition, he recommends a fail to comply with the requirements:

"You have been ordered to participate in a urine drug testing program. You will be expected to provide a fresh, clean, unadulterated, undiluted specimen of at least 30 mL. You will be allowed a minimum amount of time and minimal access to fluids in which to provide a specimen. Any failure to provide an adequate specimen, absent a documented medical condition which precludes your ability to provide a valid specimen, will be considered a failure to comply with the requirements of the testing program, will be reported to ……… and may include sanctions up to and including …………."



Here he mentions 30 minutes again. If it takes 24 hours, then why recommend 30 minutes instead of 3 hours wait?

"Accordingly collectors should not need to wait for several hours to obtain an adequate specimen. Current federally regulated workplace programs allow for 40 oz of water spread evenly over 3 hours. I believe that these allowances are overly generous. Typical urine production rates during the day are on the order of 1 mL/min. Thus donors with normal kidney function should be able to generate a 30 mL specimen in as little as 30 min. Thus allowing 1 hour should be sufficient. "


Here its as clear as day and night:

"For example, after rapid consumption of 1 liter of fluids shortly before a drug test, urine drug/metabolite concentrations can be reduced several-fold and remain diluted for a few hours."



Case closed!

Are you ****** or what?


Why didn't you discuss that this study says 48 hours to dilute from 400ng to 50ng of marijuana metabolite?

Why didn't you discuss that this study says 8x dilution would bring you down to 1.003???


You ****ing buried yourself, chump. How does that dirt taste?

ps. No need for your mumbo jumbo about what a person should pee. WADA has rules in place for partial samples. Floyd followed the rules. Don't make me school you on this procedure, too.

Furthermore, for WADA, the amount of urine that's needed is 90ml, not 30ml. We aren't talking about department of transportation protocol, chump.

[travestyny]

Wow!!! I showed you and your interpreted it all wrong!


Can you not read what I posted?

"Typical urine creatinine concentrations are on the order of 150 mg/dL. Current federally-regulated workplace drug testing programs have established 20 mg/dL as a cut-off for indicating a dilute specimen. Again, this cut-off reflects an approximately 8-fold dilution from typical levels. This level of dilution does
not occur with normal water consumption (e.g. after an 8 oz. (240 ml) glass of water) but rather after consumption of 1 liter (~4 glasses) of water over a short period of time (i.e. 30 minutes)."


Read below. It should not take hours to provide a urine sample. What is being said, unless Floyd mentions (documented) that he has a medical condition, he recommends a fail to comply with the requirements:

"You have been ordered to participate in a urine drug testing program. You will be expected to provide a fresh, clean, unadulterated, undiluted specimen of at least 30 mL. You will be allowed a minimum amount of time and minimal access to fluids in which to provide a specimen. Any failure to provide an adequate specimen, absent a documented medical condition which precludes your ability to provide a valid specimen, will be considered a failure to comply with the requirements of the testing program, will be reported to ……… and may include sanctions up to and including …………."



Here he mentions 30 minutes again. If it takes 24 hours, then why recommend 30 minutes instead of 3 hours wait?

"Accordingly collectors should not need to wait for several hours to obtain an adequate specimen. Current federally regulated workplace programs allow for 40 oz of water spread evenly over 3 hours. I believe that these allowances are overly generous. Typical urine production rates during the day are on the order of 1 mL/min. Thus donors with normal kidney function should be able to generate a 30 mL specimen in as little as 30 min. Thus allowing 1 hour should be sufficient. "


Here its as clear as day and night:

"For example, after rapid consumption of 1 liter of fluids shortly before a drug test, urine drug/metabolite concentrations can be reduced several-fold and remain diluted for a few hours."



Case closed!

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Tell me what the **** the chart from your study says, dumbass.

Tell me what Hr. means. What does that stand for?

Come on. You can do it. YOU'RE AN ABSOLUTE MORON. I honestly did not know that you were so ******. You're the only idiot that consistently finds studies that go directly against your own contention. How ****ing dumb can you be???

[ADP02]

Are you ****** or what?


Why didn't you discuss that this study says 48 hours to dilute from 400ng to 50ng of marijuana metabolite?

Why didn't you discuss that this study says 8x dilution would bring you down to 1.003???


You ****ing buried yourself, chump. How does that dirt taste?

ps. No need for your mumbo jumbo about what a person should pee. WADA has rules in place for partial samples. Floyd followed the rules. Don't make me school you on this procedure, too.

Furthermore, for WADA, the amount of urine that's needed is 90ml, not 30ml. We aren't talking about department of transportation protocol, chump.

WOW! Still lost I see!

Of course this is not WADA ... I even pointed it out! You want someone to hold your hand here?


The graph is showing:
After the user takes marijuana, there will be a natural decrease over the next 24-48 hours. So the dilution of 8X will bring the number of metabolites BELOW the cutoff of 50 ng/ml as time elapses but initially, for 400ng/ml with an 8X dilution, it will bring it down to about 50 ng/ml.

Check the dotted line (50ng/ml) cutoff at the bottom of the charts. There is another line which shows what an 8X dilution would do. Its simple to understand. The explanation presented pretty much reflects this too.

[travestyny]

WOW! Still lost I see!

Of course this is not WADA ... I even pointed it out! You want someone to hold your hand here?


The graph is showing:
After the user takes marijuana, there will be a natural decrease over the next 24-48 hours. So the dilution of 8X will bring the number of metabolites BELOW the cutoff of 50 ng/ml as time elapses but initially, for 400ng/ml with an 8X dilution, it will bring it down to about 50 ng/ml.

Check the dotted line (50ng/ml) cutoff at the bottom of the charts. There is another line which shows what an 8X dilution would do. Its simple to understand. The explanation presented pretty much reflects this too.

That's not a dotted line you moron. You are officially the biggest idiot on this site.

What you're seeing is a B and a J. It's charting the level of metabolites beginning from two different points. The whole chart is about the 8x dilution. Nowhere does it EVER say it is compared to the natural removal of marijuana metabolite.

How the **** do you think someone can dilite 400ng of marijuana metabolite to 50ng in 0 hours???? Can you ****ing see?

What the **** does the title of the chart say? DILUTION! NOT DILUTION VS. NATURAL REMOVAL. MOTHA****ING DILUTION!!!

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LMAO YOU ARE DESTROYING YOURSELF!

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fl0mos: Floyd be injectin WADA banned IVs with 14x the legal limit of saline like Lance Armstrong, but it's okay doe cuz he almost died from "severe dehydration". Even doe da NSAC doctor doin da pre-fight medical check dinnit find any symptoms of dehydration, and even doe Floyd dinnit mention anythang bout taking banned IVs or dehydration on his questionnaire, I still believe him cuz I'm a fl0mo.

Logical people: So it's okay for Floyd to use Lance Armstrong approved IV infusions that are banned by WADA due to its proven effectiveness at masking steroid use, but it's NOT okay for Pacquiao to take a perfectly legal, non-steroidal shot of toradol to treat his shoulder that was weakened from injury?

fl0mos: STFU p@cturd! You makin too much sense. My underdeveloped brain can't handle all dat logic. #TBE #TMT #HARDWORKDEDICATION #EASYWORK

[ADP02]

That's not a dotted like you moron. You are officially the biggest idiot on this site.

What you're seeing is a B and a J. It's charting the level of metabolites beginning from two different points. The whole chart is about the 8x dilution. Nowhere does it EVER say it is compared to the natural removal of marijuana metabolite.

How the **** do you think someone can dilite 400ng of marijuana metabolite to 50ng in 0 hours???? Can you ****ing see?

LMAO YOU ARE DESTROYING YOURSELF!

If I'm the moron then what should we call someone that is worse? I see that you do not know what you are talking about. NEXT!!!


The initial point is just stating a fact that if you dilute 400ng/ml by 8X then you reduce so its 50ng/ml. As he stated, as time elapses, the drug is removed from the body and then it becomes easier for the user to dilute below the cutoff levels. The graph is showing this for THC and another for *******, as he explained. Its so simple to understand that even a moron would understand but you, it looks like you do not understand! So what can we call you? Too funny!


After initial dilution:
400/8 = 50

After 16 hours elapsed:
200/8 = 25

After 32 hours elapsed:
100/8 = 12.5

After 48 hours elapsed:
50/8 = 6.25


The above reflects the diluted line. Its simple.




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[travestyny]

fl0mos: Floyd be injectin WADA banned IVs with 14x the legal limit of saline like Lance Armstrong, but it's okay doe cuz he almost died from "severe dehydration". Even doe da NSAC doctor doin da pre-fight medical check dinnit find any symptoms of dehydration, and even doe Floyd dinnit mention anythang bout taking banned IVs or dehydration on his questionnaire, I still believe him cuz I'm a fl0mo.

Logical people: So it's okay for Floyd to use Lance Armstrong approved IV infusions that are banned by WADA due to its proven effectiveness in masking steroid use, but it's NOT okay for Pacquiao to take a perfectly legal, non-steroidal shot of toradol?

fl0mos: STFU p@cturd! You makin too much sense. My underdeveloped brain can't handle all dat logic. #TBE #TMT #HARDWORKDEDICATION #EASYWORK

Give up. It has nothing to do with USADA. WADA allows toradol. NSAC doesn't for various reasons. You already know this but you can't handle the truth.

Pacquaio's team attempted to cheat and were stopped. Same as Margarito's team attempted to cheat and was stopped. Did it matter that Margarito never actually threw a punch? He was still punished.

So stating that it doesn't matter because Pacquaio didn't take it is not so relevant, is it? The only reason he wasn't punished is because it's not as atrocious of a crime as putting plaster in your gloves, and fairness to his team would be reasonable in the event that they didn't know you can't abuse it.

*But we all know his team would have to be a bunch of fools to believe they can load up on toradol with no injury. And what doctor attempts to give a shot of toradol with no injury? Dr. ElAttrache, Pacquaio, and Arum have all gone on record saying Pacquaio was perfectly fine before the fight.

Now stop embarrassing yourself. Get back in your grave.