Everyone Wants to Talk About Floyd's IV - What About Pac-Monster's Toradol Abuse???

[ADP02]

I do believe my questions have been posted longer. You gonna answer or duck?

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So they were aware of his claim. What the actual **** does that prove?

I had it even in my post! I have been telling you every time that you tried to deflect or spin!

BTW - you skipped my post .... was that a deflection AGAIN?

[ADP02]

Did you read what the specialists said?

The most accredited doctor (who analyzes for criminal/court testing) stated that this shouldn't even be questioned, but treated as a negative result.

An expert witness provided by Diaz's defense expressed doubt as to the validity of the positive test, arguing that it was "not medically possible" for an individual to hydrate themselves so thoroughly within a span of less than two hours as to dilute their urine enough to cause the dramatic separation from the 10:38 p.m. results and the 11:55 p.m. negative test.

Yea, we should believe an unaccredited lab that found 10 times higher of a level than the accredited lab. I guess we should have believed when Cung Le got busted for HGH by the unaccredited lab. Oh yea...that turned out to be bullshlt.


Now you spin it.

Of course Diaz's "expert" will say that. You are not that naïve, are you?


1) Different protocols were used.
2) Different LABs were used.
3) Diaz could have done like Floyd and used an IV
4) Diaz's urine was already very dilute to begin with.

[IR0NFIST]

Thread title is very misleading. How can Pacquiao "abuse" something that he didn't even take? Furthermore, there's no mention of him ever using toradol in the past.

We can speculate endlessly about the events surrounding Floyd's banned IV infusion and Pacquiao's request for a non-prohibited shot of toradol, but when it's all said and done — Floyd was granted a TUE to use IVs that are prohibited by WADA due to its drug test altering capabilities, while Pacquiao was denied a shot of toradol, a non-steroidal anti-inflammatory (NSAID) that is NOT prohibited by WADA.

Let's keep that in mind.

[Dosumpthin]

Of course Diaz's "expert" will say that. You are not that naïve, are you?


1) Different protocols were used.
2) Different LABs were used.
3) Diaz could have done like Floyd and used an IV
4) Diaz's urine was already very dilute to begin with.

So what are you really implying?

The dco for NSAC allowed 2 dillute samples whereas the dco that sent the samples to quest made diaz piss until it was acceptable?

Is that your claim?


Nevermind the fact it has nothing to do with WADA proceedures and requirements set forth for a urine sample collection by their own dco. Nah **** that. That makes too much sense.



And I still want a name of an athlete that provides a sample prior to the IV yet was found to have violated USADA IV policy.

[Dosumpthin]

Thread title is very misleading. How can Pacquiao "abuse" something that he didn't even take? Furthermore, there's no mention of him ever using toradol in the past.

We can speculate endlessly about the events surrounding Floyd's banned IV infusion and Pacquiao's request for a non-prohibited shot of toradol, but when it's all said and done — Floyd was granted a TUE to use IVs that are prohibited by WADA due to its drug test altering capabilities, while Pacquiao was denied a shot of toradol, a non-steroidal anti-inflammatory (NSAID) that is NOT prohibited by WADA.

Let's keep that in mind.

Lets also keep in mind the facts.....

Bob arum says they used TORADOL in training.

NSAC requires fighters to be in their natural state. That prevents abuse of legal substances.

Team PAC was caught attempting to violate that rule and NSAC PREVENTED ILEGAL USE.

NSAC does not ban IV use.

USADA granted a TUE for IV use.



You keep speculating endlessly, I'll stick to the facts.

[IR0NFIST]

Lets also keep in mind the facts.....

Bob arum says they used TORADOL in training.

NSAC requires fighters to be in their natural state. That prevents abuse of legal substances.

Team PAC was caught attempting to violate that rule and NSAC PREVENTED ILEGAL USE.

NSAC does not ban IV use.

USADA granted a TUE for IV use.



You keep speculating endlessly, I'll stick to the facts.

*sigh* I see the point completely flew over your head. Allow me to rephrase it using the fewest words possible so as to not confuse your fragile little brain.

IV Infusions are banned by WADA. Toradol is NOT. This fact alone makes your entire argument along with the premise of this thread look like a complete joke.

[ADP02]

So what are you really implying?

The dco for NSAC allowed 2 dillute samples whereas the dco that sent the samples to quest made diaz piss until it was acceptable?

Is that your claim?


Nevermind the fact it has nothing to do with WADA proceedures and requirements set forth for a urine sample collection by their own dco. Nah **** that. That makes too much sense.



And I still want a name of an athlete that provides a sample prior to the IV yet was found to have violated USADA IV policy.

One was passible as far as dilution is concerned. The point was that BOTH of the 2 samples came back negative. The other LAB came back with a positive result.

You wanted proof, I gave it to you.

[travestyny]

Of course Diaz's "expert" will say that. You are not that naïve, are you?


1) Different protocols were used.
2) Different LABs were used.
3) Diaz could have done like Floyd and used an IV
4) Diaz's urine was already very dilute to begin with.

One lab didn't use proper protocol. They even admit they didn't use proper protocol. That is a fact.

And I do believe the info I gave said this:
The most accredited doctor (who analyzes for criminal/court testing) stated that this shouldn't even be questioned, but treated as a negative result.

Explain that.

[travestyny]

I had it even in my post! I have been telling you every time that you tried to deflect or spin!

BTW - you skipped my post .... was that a deflection AGAIN?

Dude, you didn't answer any of these questions. Why are you ducking them. Give a straight damn answer:


1. Did Bob Arum lie when he said info about the injury was sent to NSAC directly by his lawyers?

2. Did Pac's team lie when they said info about the injury was sent to USADA? And I mean enough info that USADA could prove the injury to NSAC as Arum has been saying they agreed to do.

3. Did Pacquiao state he had no pain before this fight? Do you believe he was lying?

4. Did Bob Arum lie about Pac receiving a TUE for toradol?

I'm still waiting. Step up!

[Shape up]

Methods Prohibited At All Times (Both In- and Out-of- Competition)
M1. Manipulation of Blood and Blood Components

Blood doping, the use of red blood cells from any source, or otherwise artificially enhancing the uptake, transport, or delivery of oxygen, is prohibited. Any type of intravenous (IV) manipulation of the blood or blood components by physical or chemical means is prohibited.--------- look what I found when I clicked on the drugs section of the NSAC website ****head, it's a revised usada protocol for the NSAC ****head