Nobody cares about chocolatito because...

[elgu]

People hype Gonzalez because they don't want to look like a casual. But when you break down his record, like you just did, they don't have a response. Call me a casual because I have no interest in watching midgets fight.

Gonzalez win over estrada is better than any win by Ward, GGG, and Kovalev and all those guys are top ten p4p and in many cases top 5 p4p. His reign also spans in three divisions.

The Arroyo guy from puerto rico is also better than any of the last 4 opponents that Ward, GGG, and Kovalev fought(except for maybe pascal the first time Kovalev fought him).

I wont call motorcity cobra casual because he doesnt watch the small divisions. I will call him ignorant and prejudiced, which is what he is. Then again i cant expect much from a poster that doesnt know what a 1-2 is in boxing.

Judging a man by his size isnt the same thing as judging him by his skin color is it?

This thread specifically states by many posters that they wont watch "midgets fighting". I wonder how long the thread would have lasted if it said "i wont watch blacks fighting"?

Then again this is nsb so be as judgemental as you want to be. Just dont come crying when the same thing is done to you.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

This is the last time I reply to you over RG today. I already schooled you not just today but throughout the months of our back and forth...You claimed Yagashi was nobody and that Estrada was the last great win...you got put on blast my another poster and then I owned you with my last reply...now you finally conceded that it is a good win after taking you to school.....and You are going to keep doing this. Lastly I pointed out that RG resume extends a decade and its only fair to count that not just the last three years : you replied and said that you were not trying to ignore the remaining six or seven years yet your whole argument has been based off the last three or four years....and you keep repeating yourself as if it proves a point...but I been giving you names dates ; records and resumes. Peace out.....you are not fooling anyone they can go back and read and see you got some agenda.

Lmao,,, nobody has put me on blast..

Roman's best wins are all from 2012 or prior.. Yaegashi is a good win but literally the only win roman has of any substance over the past few years..
Somehow roman has been elevated to p4p #1 even though he has one good win over the last 4 years.
Beating yaegashi is a solid win, but it's still a 2nd tier opponent and def not good enough to elevate you to p4p #1..
You are overrating roman if you have him as your p4p #1. That's the only reason why I say he is overrated.. It's not his skills, I think he is a great fighter.

Let roman beat cuadras and Estrada 2, maybe inoui, and then I can see him being #1

[HanzGruber]

Well yea that's obvious. Anything below 122 or 126 is too small for mainstream

[ShoulderRoll]

Boxing skill is boxing skill. If you have it then I will watch you fight regardless of how much you weigh.

[LoadedWraps]

Lmao.. And who are these great champs that yaegashi has beaten... A career 24-5 fighter is roman's best win over the past 4 years??

Lmao, so lineal champ is elite now??? So Carlos baldomir was an elite champ,, Shannon Briggs was elite? Plenty of lineal champs have been mediocre

It depends on the division and the champs yes, but stop pretending like it's some easy feat to do, and quit acting like unification hasn't been considered a priority and measuring stick for over a hundred years.

YES, Baldomir and Briggs were elite at one time. Do you even know what the word elite means? The best of the best. The cream of the crop. Any non-paper champ and top 10 ranked in their division gets that title whether you think they deserve it or not. Elite isn't reserved for 1-2 people in the sport, it's for the top percentage of fighters.

No one makes it to the top of the sport as a mediocre fighter. You logic is absurd.

[HanzGruber]

Your argument's negated by the fact that Naseem Hamed is a Hall of Famer. But that's none of my business.

The reason people don't care about Chocolatito is what I said before - he has no "character". No "drama". Nothing to draw you in.

Naz was champ at 126. 126 has had plenty of popular fighters. 115 not so much

[Motorcity Cobra]

Gonzalez win over estrada is better than any win by Ward, GGG, and Kovalev and all those guys are top ten p4p and in many cases top 5 p4p. His reign also spans in three divisions.

Estrade is a better win than Froch/Kessler/Abrahaam/Miranda/Dawson? FOH with that nonsense

[Sugar Adam Ali]

YES, Baldomir and Briggs were elite at one time. Do you even know what the word elite means? The best of the best. The cream of the crop.[/COLOR]

Lmao,,,, now I've heard it all...

[LoadedWraps]

Lmao,,,, now I've heard it all...

You quote me and laugh at it but have no real retort.

The only real response with any weight here you can offer, is that your criteria for elite is different than mine and most of the worlds.

And in that case we just have to agree to disagree. Because I consider all top fighters of the sport elite, I consider all top 30 ranked fighters good/fringe elite, and I consider all fighers with a winning record good.


You on the otherhand, seem to be one of those who only use a resume to judge a fighter, which is incredibly flawed, about as flawed as judging a pitcher by his W/L. You will just keep asking the same question like a broken record: but who did he beat? Then when you have the answer, but who did he beat? And on and on, knowing full well that going back far enough everyone has an opponent that "beat no one" by your standards. For every fighter. You don't see the fallacy and it's hilarious, and you can't change your criteria because you don't know enough of the sport to use anything else as a barometer but resumes.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

You quote me and laugh at it but have no real retort.

The only real response with any weight here you can offer, is that your criteria for elite is different than mine and most of the worlds.

And in that case we just have to agree to disagree. Because I consider all top fighters of the sport elite, I consider all top 30 ranked fighters good/fringe elite, and I consider all fighers with a winning record good.


You on the otherhand, seem to be one of those who only use a resume to judge a fighter, which is incredibly flawed, about as flawed as judging a pitcher by his W/L. You will just keep asking the same question like a broken record: but who did he beat? Then when you have the answer, but who did he beat? And on and on, knowing full well that going back far enough everyone has an opponent that "beat no one" by your standards. For every fighter. You don't see the fallacy and it's hilarious, and you can't change your criteria because you don't know enough of the sport to use anything else as a barometer but resumes.

Judging a fighter by his resume and record is not flawed... Wtf are you talking about? How else you going to judge him

Even if yagaseshi is as great as you say, and 'elite'. What else has roman done in the past 4 years that elevates him to p4p #1 ????