Comments Thread For: Golovkin: Canelo is Not Smart, He's Scared, Golden Boy is Scared!

[Scipio2009]

And a lot of them are draining themselves to make the lower weights instead of fighting at their natural weight. A man who walks into the ring at 170 plus pounds does not need to grow into a 160 pound fighter, especially since he has not made 154 in a long time. He is already there, that much is obvious. He knows it, the world knows it.

A 160lb fighter, generally speaking, walks into the ring near 180lbs on fight night, so what are you talking about.

Outside of Floyd, you literally can't point to a single fighter who walks into the ring near their natural weight to face a fighter who's been boiling down ~15lbs to make the same weight.

Giving up that 10lbs of fight night, especially at the flashpoint of middleweight (most middleweight fighters, when not cutting weight but are fit, are near 6' tall and weigh in the 180s, at about the size where relative power doesn't differ all that much), isn't something you just hand over.

[Eff Pandas]

And folks are overplaying this "gaining back his respect" nonsense; only folks really talking **** are K2 and folks tied to pushing HBO's stories. The PPV audience hasn't abandoned him, the Mexico TV numbers don't seem to have suffered, and he's currently moving a ton of tickets for his fight against Liam Smith in Texas.

Call it whatever you want or spin it how you see it, but if I'm K2 I'm pressing for more money cuz Canelo needs to fight GGG more than Canelo needed to fight GGG in the past after his embarrassing avoidance of their fight this year & that equals more money for GGG however you cut it the way I see it. What the ceiling is is debatable, but for sure its higher.

GGG is probably getting used to being avoided + at this point he needs to maximize the big fights he does get if he ever does get them cuz he doesn't got much time left & **** his time could come to a close sooner than most expect. Plenty of fighters have gotten old before 35.

[richardt]

A 160lb fighter, generally speaking, walks into the ring near 180lbs on fight night, so what are you talking about.

Outside of Floyd, you literally can't point to a single fighter who walks into the ring near their natural weight to face a fighter who's been boiling down ~15lbs to make the same weight.

Giving up that 10lbs of fight night, especially at the flashpoint of middleweight (most middleweight fighters, when not cutting weight but are fit, are near 6' tall and weigh in the 180s, at about the size where relative power doesn't differ all that much), isn't something you just hand over.

You're missing the point. No one is saying Canelo is not a middleweight except Canelo. Everyone on the planet knows he is a middleweight!! Why the hell do you think he couldn't even make 154 for a number of fights??!!! Why the hell do you think he demanded catchweights over 154??!! Why the hell do you think he refused to weigh in the day of the fight when asked to??!! Now he painted himself into a corner and will be a drained and dehydrated Middleweight. The only reason why any of this is a topic is because GGG obviously did something to him in sparring to strike fear into him.

[aboutfkntime]

Call it whatever you want or spin it how you see it, but if I'm K2 I'm pressing for more money cuz Canelo needs to fight GGG more than Canelo needed to fight GGG in the past after his embarrassing avoidance of their fight this year & that equals more money for GGG however you cut it the way I see it. What the ceiling is is debatable, but for sure its higher.

GGG is probably getting used to being avoided + at this point he needs to maximize the big fights he does get if he ever does get them cuz he doesn't got much time left & **** his time could come to a close sooner than most expect. Plenty of fighters have gotten old before 35.

they will do exactly as you have suggested

as a result, I am almost certain that fight will never happen

if they haven't learned by now, they never will

[aboutfkntime]

You're missing the point. No one is saying Canelo is not a middleweight except Canelo. Everyone on the planet knows he is a middleweight!! Why the hell do you think he couldn't even make 154 for a number of fights??!!! Why the hell do you think he demanded catchweights over 154??!! Why the hell do you think he refused to weigh in the day of the fight when asked to??!! Now he painted himself into a corner and will be a drained and dehydrated Middleweight. The only reason why any of this is a topic is because GGG obviously did something to him in sparring to strike fear into him.

he is CLEARLY, PLAINLY, OBVIOUSLY, not a middleweight LMAO

you, thinking that Canelo could never have dropped that 1lb, is a bit silly

he obviously could have made 154..... it is 1 fkn pound FFS

ridiculous

I really can't be fk'd, but I will make a small effort

when Canelo was a welter, he weighed in at 150 (don't believe me, go check boxrec..... because he had a NUMBER of fights at 150 when campaigning at welter, 155 AINT Canelo's first rodeo LMAO).... and when Canelo was a JMW, he weighed in at 155.

Reynoso has explained why on multiple occasions..... they do it for non-title fights to preserve Saul's career.

It is fkn lame, and unprofessional, in my book..... but to assume it means that Canelo could not possibly have knocked off that extra pound..... is pushing sensibility.

To insinuate that Canelo could not possibly drop that extra pound is pushing sensibility..... but not as badly as referring to 155 as "middleweight".

Don't be that guy man.

[Fox427]

Golovkin is the one who has already gone to the public with calling $3m to fight Alvarez (basically double what anyone who has ever fought him, sans Floyd/Cotto/Khan) a bull**** offer, yet he's never made more than $2m on a pro fight ever.

If you want to talk about counting someone else's money, how about you start with Golovkin

1) "Golovkin is the one who has already gone to the public with calling $3m to fight Alvarez" - I am not sure if I understand you correctly, GGG asked $3 mil to fight Alvarez? Can you post a link, I wanna see it.

2) "yet he's never made more than $2m on a pro fight ever." - So by your logic, a boxer who never had a payday more than $2 mil in his fights cannot have his next fight for $3 mil? Is that what you saying?

3) You said GGG talked about money, so what is wrong with that? Aren't other fighters talk about money too? Or it is GGG(or his team) only who mentions money aspect of the fight? At the end of the day that's their bread, they have to talk about, but what it has to do with you? Why you comparing yourself with GGG?You basically saying "I didnt started talking about money, it is GGG". Are you boxer?

4) "If you want to talk about counting someone else's money, how about you start with Golovkin" - Dude, who said I wanna talk about counting someone's money? Did I say that? It's quite opposite, I asked you explicitly what do you prefer:"count money" or "watch great fights". Plain and simple. So one more time, which one do you prefer?

Will be waiting for your answers.

[Tomjas]

they will do exactly as you have suggested

as a result, I am almost certain that fight will never happen

if they haven't learned by now, they never will

There is literally only one reason why this fight isnt happening: GBP is absolutely petrified that GGG will demolish Canelo and it will effect his future earning power as a result

[Scipio2009]

You're missing the point. No one is saying Canelo is not a middleweight except Canelo. Everyone on the planet knows he is a middleweight!! Why the hell do you think he couldn't even make 154 for a number of fights??!!! Why the hell do you think he demanded catchweights over 154??!! Why the hell do you think he refused to weigh in the day of the fight when asked to??!! Now he painted himself into a corner and will be a drained and dehydrated Middleweight. The only reason why any of this is a topic is because GGG obviously did something to him in sparring to strike fear into him.

Please name a single other middleweight fighter who can make 154lbs for a fight!

That, right there, shows how ridiculous your stance is.

In less than two weeks, Alvarez has a fight scheduled at 154, after spending the last while fighting at 155.

you played yourself

[Scipio2009]

1) "Golovkin is the one who has already gone to the public with calling $3m to fight Alvarez" - I am not sure if I understand you correctly, GGG asked $3 mil to fight Alvarez? Can you post a link, I wanna see it.

2) "yet he's never made more than $2m on a pro fight ever." - So by your logic, a boxer who never had a payday more than $2 mil in his fights cannot have his next fight for $3 mil? Is that what you saying?

3) You said GGG talked about money, so what is wrong with that? Aren't other fighters talk about money too? Or it is GGG(or his team) only who mentions money aspect of the fight? At the end of the day that's their bread, they have to talk about, but what it has to do with you? Why you comparing yourself with GGG?You basically saying "I didnt started talking about money, it is GGG". Are you boxer?

4) "If you want to talk about counting someone else's money, how about you start with Golovkin" - Dude, who said I wanna talk about counting someone's money? Did I say that? It's quite opposite, I asked you explicitly what do you prefer:"count money" or "watch great fights". Plain and simple. So one more time, which one do you prefer?

Will be waiting for your answers.

1) This very website just posted an article, quoting Golovkin stating that Alvarez is likely to offer him $3m as a meaans to lowball him to duck the fight.

2) If the most money that you've ever made in a fight was $2m, a 50% increase on your career-high purse isn't something you'd just reject out of hand. negotiations are going to happen, but to act as if that's a slap in the face makes you look foolish.

3) Golovkin, his camp, and Golovkin's fans have made it a point of their existence to **** on fighters/managers who talk about the money when Golovkin's name is brought up; the moment that Golovkin does the exact same thing that his fans have derided other folks for, everyone goes quiet, forgets what they were saying beforehand, and do everything in their power to justify the flip.

4)In a world where more fighters are free of indebtured servitude to a promoter, "counting money" helps set the stage to "watch great fights".

Keith Thurman and Shawn Porter had to get the money right, to then give us their great fight. No different than what set the stage for Santa Cruz-Frampton, Broner-Porter, Jacobs-Quillin, and the host of other top-level fights already in the cue.

[Eff Pandas]

they will do exactly as you have suggested

as a result, I am almost certain that fight will never happen

if they haven't learned by now, they never will

I think all anyone has learned for real with all the bs with making this fight and the speculation on either side is Oscar is scared to throw his biggest name in vs a guy he's not assured of beating.

Canelo is an investment of GBP and it's far and away their best asset right now in trying times and a changing landscape in boxing thus the possibility of Canelo losing value after catching a KO loss is too great a risk. Everything else is silly **** to discuss with much confidence or mic dropping cuz we aren't getting past the Oscar problem with making this fight.