Comments Thread For: Arum Reflects on Mayweather's IV, Pacquiao Shoulder Shot Scandal

[travestyny]

What you are stating does not sound very professional and I can see there being a possibility of some kind of cross-contamination going on with all that.


On top of that, I read that Dr Ariza started coming up with new lies that it was USADA that asked for Floyd to get the IV. USADA really likes to help Floyd out, right?

Who to believe? Ariza who thanked USADA or Floyd who thanked Dr Alex Ariza?

Just a bunch of lies!!!

Lies according to you. This seems clear to me.

1. WADA cleared up that a TUE can be issued for the express purpose of having an IV to combat dehydration.
2. Floyd received a TUE for the use of an IV infusion of IV fluid for the express purpose of treating dehydration
3. A partial urine sample was given before the IV.
4. The urine had to pass the specific gravity test to ensure it was not diluted.
5. An independent team of doctors approved the TUE application. Mayweather's name was not attached to the application.
6. WADA found not reason to interfere, though they clearly knew about the fuss made about it. This can be seen as implicit approval.
7. The independent labs found no positive results for the 19 drug tests Mayweather took. His name was not attached to the samples.

This is pretty ****ing air tight. Is there really any more to say? I certainly don't think so. Just as with the conversation about Manny's shoulder, I'm very happy with how this conversation has gone. I'm especially happy with the shoulder conversation since the only reason you had to fall back on, The Good Doctor Neal ElAttrach, is now a discussion that you obviously don't want to have, and we both know why.

It's been fun, man. But I think this concludes our talks about these two boxers. Time to look forward to the future of boxing.

Cheers.

[ADP02]

Lies according to you. This seems clear to me.

1. WADA cleared up that a TUE can be issued for the express purpose of having an IV to combat dehydration.
2. Floyd received a TUE for the use of an IV infusion of IV fluid for the express purpose of treating dehydration
3. A partial urine sample was given before the IV.
4. The urine had to pass the specific gravity test to ensure it was not diluted.
5. An independent team of doctors approved the TUE application. Mayweather's name was not attached to the application.
6. WADA found not reason to interfere, though they clearly knew about the fuss made about it. This can be seen as implicit approval.
7. The independent labs found no positive results for the 19 drug tests Mayweather took. His name was not attached to the samples.

This is pretty ****ing air tight. Is there really any more to say? I certainly don't think so. Just as with the conversation about Manny's shoulder, I'm very happy with how this conversation has gone. I'm especially happy with the shoulder conversation since the only reason you had to fall back on, The Good Doctor Neal ElAttrach, is now a discussion that you obviously don't want to have, and we both know why.

It's been fun, man. But I think this concludes our talks about these two boxers. Time to look forward to the future of boxing.

Cheers.

Deflection city!

Floyd should have used alternative treatments such as Oral rehydration or oral delivery of medication ..... according to WADA.

"It must be understood that the use of IV fluid replacement following exercise to correct mild to moderate dehydration is not clinically indicated nor substantiated by the medical literature. There is a well-established body of scientific evidence to confirm that oral rehydration is the preferred the****utic choice, potentially even more effective than IV infusion." ....... according to WADA.

2. Floyd told you the reasons why (urine , blood 10 days before, exercised a bit) and they are BS lies. BS in conflict with getting a RETRO TUE unless your name is Floyd.

3. Partial means not enough (inadequate) to be used to test. Floyd delayed as well. Took 6+ hours to complete giving his sample. What a joke!

Makes me wonder who was even taking care of this "partial sample" and if it was stored properly.
"Either the Athlete or the DCO shall retain control of the Sample. The DCO shall ensure that the sealed partial Sample is securely stored (under continuous observation or locked away in a secure area). If the Athlete retains possession of the Sample, it must be placed in a secure area, and must remain under the observation of Sample Collection Personnel. "


I can see something going wrong ........ Floyd going one direction, his samples another and a few body guards in between and lots of confusion that day. Floyd even said that he had to go bet on the game while he was walking out from his weigh-in .... and confirmed by Floyd that he did bet on the game. Unacceptable delays.


4. On the road, the tests are not as precise and dependent on what was used to test and other reasons. That is why the LAB checks as well but by then, its too late.
I showed you where an athlete had a sg result that would have passed the test but was definitely diluting since on another test, he tested positive for banned substances.

On top of that Floyd diluted with an IV which also had "stuff" added to the saline (electrolytes). So to say, it would be possible to dilute yet pass the sg test. Already showed you an example above but not sure what he used (IV or not) but he passed the test!!!

There is also this that can occur due to the IV!
"tests may remain negative even after the specific gravity returns toward normal"

5. They say "Ideally" .....
Independant means that they should have no relations to Floyd but there are exception and its pointed out that they can discuss with other personnel. USADA establishes the TUEC. That is where there is a conflict of interest.

6. WADA did nothing with the fabricated documents that Lance Armstrong, ooops, I mean Floyd Mayweather and his doctor Ariza wrote up and signed! Reason is that its optional for them to even review it and by what I read, they didn't.

7. Just like LABs found Lance Armstrong and his 100s of tests to be negative.




but as stated, the issue starts with the delays of 6 hours and then the unnecessary IV.

I told you Floyd was NOT severely dehydrated. If he was then Floyd would not come in at 146 since that is the weight that he has maintained and achieved EASILY. They admit to that.


Here is Ariza agreeing with me and not you.




" I think Marquez hyper-hydrated with a lot of electrolytes, a lot of water, which was very, very smart on behalf of Memo. I think he ****ing planned for this fight to go 12 rounds and I think he hyper-hydrated in order to pump his fluids up. I think that's why. He knew he was going to start sweating, and once he started sweating, that water was going to start coming out. I bet ya he weighed 142 by the time that fight was over." - Ariza



Ariza: "I do not know how other camps do it but we do not do things by guess, we do it by the numbers."


In summary, Ariza pointed out that Marquez was dehydrating by way of perspiration and consequently must have lost quite a bit of weight. Floyd did NOT. So why the IV??????????
Secondly, Ariza points out that he finds it smart to have your fighter hydrated and maybe even over hydrated NOT Dehydrated.


We usually see Floyd with a bottle drinking. Even in that interview where he said he needed an IV, Floyd was drinking!


That air tight IV bag has a few leaks in it!



Honestly do not know what you are talking about with the doctor.

[travestyny]

Deflection city!

Floyd should have used alternative treatments such as Oral rehydration or oral delivery of medication ..... according to WADA.

"It must be understood that the use of IV fluid replacement following exercise to correct mild to moderate dehydration is not clinically indicated nor substantiated by the medical literature. There is a well-established body of scientific evidence to confirm that oral rehydration is the preferred the****utic choice, potentially even more effective than IV infusion." ....... according to WADA.

2. Floyd told you the reasons why (urine , blood 10 days before, exercised a bit) and they are BS lies. BS in conflict with getting a RETRO TUE unless your name is Floyd.

3. Partial means not enough (inadequate) to be used to test. Floyd delayed as well. Took 6+ hours to complete giving his sample. What a joke!

Makes me wonder who was even taking care of this "partial sample" and if it was stored properly.
"Either the Athlete or the DCO shall retain control of the Sample. The DCO shall ensure that the sealed partial Sample is securely stored (under continuous observation or locked away in a secure area). If the Athlete retains possession of the Sample, it must be placed in a secure area, and must remain under the observation of Sample Collection Personnel. "


I can see something going wrong ........ Floyd going one direction, his samples another and a few body guards in between and lots of confusion that day. Floyd even said that he had to go bet on the game while he was walking out from his weigh-in .... and confirmed by Floyd that he did bet on the game. Unacceptable delays.


4. On the road, the tests are not as precise and dependent on what was used to test and other reasons. That is why the LAB checks as well but by then, its too late.
I showed you where an athlete had a sg result that would have passed the test but was definitely diluting since on another test, he tested positive for banned substances.

On top of that Floyd diluted with an IV which also had "stuff" added to the saline (electrolytes). So to say, it would be possible to dilute yet pass the sg test. Already showed you an example above but not sure what he used (IV or not) but he passed the test!!!

There is also this that can occur due to the IV!
"tests may remain negative even after the specific gravity returns toward normal"

5. They say "Ideally" .....
Independant means that they should have no relations to Floyd but there are exception and its pointed out that they can discuss with other personnel. USADA establishes the TUEC. That is where there is a conflict of interest.

6. WADA did nothing with the fabricated documents that Lance Armstrong, ooops, I mean Floyd Mayweather and his doctor Ariza wrote up and signed! Reason is that its optional for them to even review it and by what I read, they didn't.

7. Just like LABs found Lance Armstrong and his 100s of tests to be negative.




but as stated, the issue starts with the delays of 6 hours and then the unnecessary IV.

I told you Floyd was NOT severely dehydrated. If he was then Floyd would not come in at 146 since that is the weight that he has maintained and achieved EASILY. They admit to that.


Here is Ariza agreeing with me and not you.




" I think Marquez hyper-hydrated with a lot of electrolytes, a lot of water, which was very, very smart on behalf of Memo. I think he ****ing planned for this fight to go 12 rounds and I think he hyper-hydrated in order to pump his fluids up. I think that's why. He knew he was going to start sweating, and once he started sweating, that water was going to start coming out. I bet ya he weighed 142 by the time that fight was over." - Ariza



Ariza: "I do not know how other camps do it but we do not do things by guess, we do it by the numbers."


In summary, Ariza pointed out that Marquez was dehydrating by way of perspiration and consequently must have lost quite a bit of weight. Floyd did NOT. So why the IV??????????
Secondly, Ariza points out that he finds it smart to have your fighter hydrated and maybe even over hydrated NOT Dehydrated.


We usually see Floyd with a bottle drinking. Even in that interview where he said he needed an IV, Floyd was drinking!


That air tight IV bag has a few leaks in it!



Honestly do not know what you are talking about with the doctor.

Of course you don't know what I'm talking about with the doctor. :|


Please give up. I'm tired of reading your speculation about this.

1. WADA already confirmed that a TUE can be issued for an IV to treat dehydration. Showed you this already. We can stop here.

2. No conflict with getting the TUE. Also showed you how all of the above can contribute to dehydration, so what else is there to say?

3. A partial sample for drug testing. Are you aware of how much would be needed to test for hyponatremia, if he even had that? This is complete speculation because he might not have even suffered from that at all. And now you speculate about the handling of the sample? Come on. Give it up.

4. Again, the urine had to pass the SG test. So stop with your bs about it must have been diluted. It had to pass. The end. If it wasn't diluted, it wasn't going to mask.

5. Independent from the athletes and from USADA. Again, your argument is like saying the labs are not independent because they are chose by VADA, USADA, etc. And again, no names are given to the TUEC, nor to the labs.

6. WADA was aware of the issue, as I confirmed. WADA also disciplines ADO's that don't do things by the book. That's part of their job.

7. Wrong. Some of Lance's tests failed. One was covered up by UCI, and others came later after the appropriate tests were developed.

This is enough, isn't it? Let it go.

[ADP02]

Of course you don't know what I'm talking about with the doctor. :|


Please give up. I'm tired of reading your speculation about this.

1. WADA already confirmed that a TUE can be issued for an IV to treat dehydration. Showed you this already. We can stop here.

2. No conflict with getting the TUE. Also showed you how all of the above can contribute to dehydration, so what else is there to say?

3. A partial sample for drug testing. Are you aware of how much would be needed to test for hyponatremia, if he even had that? This is complete speculation because he might not have even suffered from that at all. And now you speculate about the handling of the sample? Come on. Give it up.

4. Again, the urine had to pass the SG test. So stop with your bs about it must have been diluted. It had to pass. The end. If it wasn't diluted, it wasn't going to mask.

5. Independent from the athletes and from USADA. Again, your argument is like saying the labs are not independent because they are chose by VADA, USADA, etc. And again, no names are given to the TUEC, nor to the labs.

6. WADA was aware of the issue, as I confirmed. WADA also disciplines ADO's that don't do things by the book. That's part of their job.

7. Wrong. Some of Lance's tests failed. One was covered up by UCI, and others came later after the appropriate tests were developed.

This is enough, isn't it? Let it go.

Speculation? Its science.

1. and I already told you that WADA says that one must use alternatives for mild and moderate levels of dehydration.
FACT not speculation: Floyd weighed in at 146lbs and then drank enough fluids to have been close to if not FULLY REHYDRATE. Studies have proven this too. So we have several facts not speculation.

Even Ariza agrees with me and I quoted him.

2. Giving urine , blood 10 days before and exercised a bit do not make someone that admits to making weight EASILY does not warrant an IV.
What you pointed out does not make any sense and I proved to you why so again, no speculation.

3. You brought up these scenarios then you say I'm speculating? Nope, its YOU!
Actually its worse than speculation. Floyd did not have hyponatremia. You do not get hyponatremia from Giving urine , blood 10 days before and exercised a bit.
So its speculation from you and facts from me!

4. I proved to you that it can pass and dilute the urine to the point where substances can be undetectable (below the threshold) .....

Also, tests may remain negative even after the specific gravity returns toward normal.

Again, its not speculation.

5. Well, if you read WADA findings, they point this out as issues.
They even use the word "Ideally"

6. This was an optional case and nowhere can you find that WADA reviewed this case. Stop speculating!

7. UCI? Are they not independant? You expect me to believe that Lance Armstrong was able to by himself persuade the UCI to close their eyes? If that is the case, then why did they even bother testing Lance? Even then, Lance passed 100s of tests, .... oh wait, you are the one who pulls this line with FLoyd, never mind.

The only official one that Lance failed was OKd due to RETRO TUE and RETRO Prescription. That is how Floyd did it this time too. RETRO TUE and RETRO note by Dr Alez Ariza, I mean dr NO name.


Floyd was not severely dehydrated and you know it.
- Vital signs normal,
- weight normal,
- pre-fight form nothing there,
- no NSAC notification,
- drank enough fluids after the weigh and could have drank and ate before and after the weigh in too,
- rock solid stable weight for a decade,
- Admits to making weight EASILY and I showed you that Floyd eats and drinks a lot before the weigh in too!
- Ariza admits that his fighter was in very good condition and it was Manny that looked severely drained Funny stuff ....
- Ariza admits that when you exercise you perspire and ..... lose weight! Gave an example of Marquez who lost quite a bit of weight. Marquez used an IV? Nope!
- "I do not know how others do it but we do no guess, we do it by the numbers" - Ariza

" I think Marquez hyper-hydrated with a lot of electrolytes, a lot of water, which was very, very smart on behalf of Memo. I think he ****ing planned for this fight to go 12 rounds and I think he hyper-hydrated in order to pump his fluids up. I think that's why. He knew he was going to start sweating, and once he started sweating, that water was going to start coming out. I bet ya he weighed 142 by the time that fight was over." - Ariza




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[travestyny]

Speculation? Its science.

1. and I already told you that WADA says that one must use alternatives for mild and moderate levels of dehydration.
FACT not speculation: Floyd weighed in at 146lbs and then drank enough fluids to have been close to if not FULLY REHYDRATE. Studies have proven this too. So we have several facts not speculation.

Even Ariza agrees with me and I quoted him.

2. Giving urine , blood 10 days before and exercised a bit do not make someone that admits to making weight EASILY does not warrant an IV.
What you pointed out does not make any sense and I proved to you why so again, no speculation.

3. You brought up these scenarios then you say I'm speculating? Nope, its YOU!
Actually its worse than speculation. Floyd did not have hyponatremia. You do not get hyponatremia from Giving urine , blood 10 days before and exercised a bit.
So its speculation from you and facts from me!

4. I proved to you that it can pass and dilute the urine to the point where substances can be undetectable (below the threshold) .....

Also, tests may remain negative even after the specific gravity returns toward normal.

Again, its not speculation.

5. Well, if you read WADA findings, they point this out as issues.
They even use the word "Ideally"

6. This was an optional case and nowhere can you find that WADA reviewed this case. Stop speculating!

7. UCI? Are they not independant? You expect me to believe that Lance Armstrong was able to by himself persuade the UCI to close their eyes? If that is the case, then why did they even bother testing Lance? Even then, Lance passed 100s of tests, .... oh wait, you are the one who pulls this line with FLoyd, never mind.

The only official one that Lance failed was OKd due to RETRO TUE and RETRO Prescription. That is how Floyd did it this time too. RETRO TUE and RETRO note by Dr Alez Ariza, I mean dr NO name.


Floyd was not severely dehydrated and you know it.
- Vital signs normal,
- weight normal,
- pre-fight form nothing there,
- no NSAC notification,
- drank enough fluids after the weigh and could have drank and ate before and after the weigh in too,
- rock solid stable weight for a decade,
- Admits to making weight EASILY and I showed you that Floyd eats and drinks a lot before the weigh in too!
- Ariza admits that his fighter was in very good condition and it was Manny that looked severely drained Funny stuff ....
- Ariza admits that when you exercise you perspire and ..... lose weight! Gave an example of Marquez who lost quite a bit of weight. Marquez used an IV? Nope!
- "I do not know how others do it but we do no guess, we do it by the numbers" - Ariza

" I think Marquez hyper-hydrated with a lot of electrolytes, a lot of water, which was very, very smart on behalf of Memo. I think he ****ing planned for this fight to go 12 rounds and I think he hyper-hydrated in order to pump his fluids up. I think that's why. He knew he was going to start sweating, and once he started sweating, that water was going to start coming out. I bet ya he weighed 142 by the time that fight was over." - Ariza




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How are you going to keep talking about what WADA said when the WADA spokesperson already commented on this issue? That's pretty dumb. By the way, science is not on your side at all. How can it be when you have no medical records? Also pretty dumb. For example, drinking water does not necessarily hydrate a person. Did I not prove this already? If not, google it.

If you can't see why all the shlt you typed above is complete bs by now, that's on you. I don't have to keep shooting down what you type over and over. I've done so already and it's boring now. Give up. Each and every one of your points I've already demolished. And where you bring up WADA, that's really the dumb part after what I've shown you.

If you want to discuss anything else, I suggest you stop ducking about the good doctor ElAttrache. You blatantly avoid it, and it's rather cowardly, don't you think?

[Dosumpthin]

How are you going to keep talking about what WADA said when the WADA spokesperson already commented on this issue? That's pretty dumb. By the way, science is not on your side at all. How can it be when you have no medical records? Also pretty dumb. For example, drinking water does not necessarily hydrate a person. Did I not prove this already? If not, google it.

If you can't see why all the shlt you typed above is complete bs by now, that's on you. I don't have to keep shooting down what you type over and over. I've done so already and it's boring now. Give up. Each and every one of your point I've already demolished. And where you bring up WADA, that's really the dumb part after what I've shown you.

If you want to discuss anything else, I suggest you stop ducking about the good doctor ElAttrache. You blatantly avoid it, and it's rather cowardly, don't you think?

Wow. Destroyed him from all angles.

And he's scared to mention the good Dr ellatrache aka Mr toradol out loud.

He's too scared to adress Bob arum claims of an USADA tue for Manny.

End of the rope for this pact@rd. He has nothing left.

Damn.

[Spoon23]

Wow. Destroyed him from all angles.

And he's scared to mention the good Dr ellatrache aka Mr toradol out loud.

He's too scared to adress Bob arum claims of an USADA tue for Manny.

End of the rope for this pact@rd. He has nothing left.

Damn.

Lol travestyNY alt Dosumpthin complimenting himself to make a case that someone agrees with his flawed arguments again hahaha

Lowest point a Poster will do to Save face for lame arguments. Letting your alt agree with his own points doesn't give you brownie points buddy. Pathetic hahaha

[WesternChamp]

the reaction from TBE is priceless... "dehydration can come from working too hard and giving blood"... i remember pac's reason for not wanting to give blood so close to the fight is because he feels it makes him weak and the floyd fans laugh at that. now their using the exact same reasons as to why floyd needed the IV LOL. i thought floyd been doing blood test way before the pac fight? why all of a sudden he was dehydrated from it?

[travestyny]

Lol travestyNY alt Dosumpthin complimenting himself to make a case that someone agrees with his flawed arguments again hahaha

Lowest point a Poster will do to Save face for lame arguments. Letting your alt agree with his own points doesn't give you brownie points buddy. Pathetic hahaha

Last I checked, Alts are a PacRoach tactic. PacBoy and his confirmed alt, Lomachenko, and your many alts in your "more accurate poll."

How'd that work out for you?

Was pretty funny when Pacquiao embarrassed you so bad that you had to take a break from posting. You should have stayed in your hole instead of coming back to be embarrassed more.

[travestyny]

the reaction from TBE is priceless... "dehydration can come from working too hard and giving blood"... i remember pac's reason for not wanting to give blood so close to the fight is because he feels it makes him weak and the floyd fans laugh at that. now their using the exact same reasons as to why floyd needed the IV LOL. i thought floyd been doing blood test way before the pac fight? why all of a sudden he was dehydrated from it?

There's a big difference between saying giving blood contributed to dehydration, and saying giving blood 2 days before a fight led to weakness in the ring.

Even bigger difference in saying giving blood 14 days before a fight would lead to weakness in the ring.

Care to explain Pacquiao's statements? I doubt you will.