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  • HEND
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    #111
    UFC isn't all that big as some of you picture it...

    May vs Pac did better number than any two UFC PPV added...

    idk why some boxing fans need the attention of casuals so deperately
    boxing is jut fine now as it is, with many good/great fighters and young talents

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    • Madison Boxing
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      #112
      Originally posted by HEND
      UFC isn't all that big as some of you picture it...

      May vs Pac did better number than any two UFC PPV added...

      idk why some boxing fans need the attention of casuals so deperately
      boxing is jut fine now as it is, with many good/great fighters and young talents
      boxing is in a state with barely any of these good/great fighters fighting each other. Get a good match up about once every two months.

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      • Madison Boxing
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        #113
        Originally posted by just the facts
        you are NOT a boxing fan, you are a cheerleader.
        nope im a fan of multiple fighters not just golovkin, just because i like exciting fights and enjoy action doesnt make me less of a fan than the hipsters on here.

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          #114
          it should meet expectations. ward isnt a ko guy but comes forward. krusher is krusher.

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            #115
            Originally posted by Sweet Pea 50
            Agree.

            I think people looking for Kov to ragdoll Ward in a clinch (and it will happen) are going to be disappointed.

            Ward isn't a blast you out type of guy, obviously, but he is a strong guy.
            This, he confirmed it against Bika and Froch. Ward doesn't punch overly hard but he is physically very strong.

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              #116
              Originally posted by soul_survivor
              This, he confirmed it against Bika and Froch. Ward doesn't punch overly hard but he is physically very strong.
              Yes he is and while Kovalev is a bigger man than those I doN't think that purely physically he is so much more powerful than them that he could just ragdoll Ward around the ring.

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                #117
                Originally posted by soul_survivor
                This, he confirmed it against Bika and Froch. Ward doesn't punch overly hard but he is physically very strong.
                Against Froch: Ward had to fight practically with no hands (old injury at the right shoulder, left hand broken)...

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                  #118
                  Originally posted by HEND
                  Yes he is and while Kovalev is a bigger man than those I doN't think that purely physically he is so much more powerful than them that he could just ragdoll Ward around the ring.
                  Kovalev needs a better game plan than to simply try and intimidate Ward. He needs to throw his power jab again and again and again. Then he needs to work on the body up close and then throw that big right hand.

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                    #119
                    Originally posted by soul_survivor
                    Kovalev needs a better game plan than to simply try and intimidate Ward. He needs to throw his power jab again and again and again. Then he needs to work on the body up close and then throw that big right hand.
                    A disadvantage of many of these EE power punchers/pressure fighters that while they are usually more precise and more polished and have a better ability to cut down the ring than their Mexican and Argentinian counterparts they are also more mechanical and predictable at the same time and they often refuse to fight from any other distance than their preferred one (which is usually in the pocket, mid distance) and they usually need to set their feet to throw their combinations. They are not the phone booth style brawlers who feel comfortable in the middle of the ring, close to the opponent, while trading shots with each other. They only feel comfortable when the opponent backs down, so they can corner him or just press him to the ropes where they can tee off on him with a barrage of power punches and finish him off.
                    However they are uncomfortable and their work rate drops if they can't set their feet.

                    Beating them depends on 4 thing mainly imo...

                    1. Good lateral movement: Not moving in straight lines but moving laterally so the fight can stay on the middle of the ring and they can' set their feet
                    2. Dominating their jab to further prevent them from throwing. An Argentinian or Mexican type of fighter would just lunge i with power punches in a situation like this, however EE fighters are usually too cautious and well schooled for that, they know that then they are more open to counters so they usually don't attack without measuring with the jab first.
                    3. Keep the fight in a distance which is uncomfortable to them, this needs very good timing and speed against such a good fighter as KOvalev but Ward is even better imo and he is the master of playing with distances. Fight on the outside probably favors Ward, fighting on the inside also favors him, the pocket, mid distance fighting is where they are both very good, so that's the place which Ward should rather avoid.
                    4. Force situations which are not really taught in boxing schools like inside fighting for example. EE fighters and any other fighters who spent much time among the amateurs usually (not always but usually) have a hard time to react tactics and situations which weren't taught to them among amateurs. They fight main by innervation. They do everything by the book but that also means that if they meet with a new situation to they don't have a pre-taught answer they freeze and can't adapt to it.


                    See examples for the last like Crawford vs Postol, Magomedov vs Hernandez, Dimitrenko vs Manyuchi, Shafikov vs Miguel Vazquez or Klitscko vs Fury. Not all of them the same style but the same approach to the sport and the same mentality. It has it's advantages but also disadvantages.
                    Last edited by HEND; 08-29-2016, 11:14 AM.

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                    • .!WAR MIKEY!.
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                      #120
                      its ehhhhh might happen might not reason being is for a fight to turn out to a great fight at this elite level BOTH not just one fighter but BOTH must have some of that primal gangster naturally inside em where its not enough to win you wanna whoop some ass and put a hurting on dude and sadly Ward doesnt have this mentality, he is from the mentality of a W is a W and nothing wrong with that it just doesnt lend itself to great fights being produced.
                      Last edited by .!WAR MIKEY!.; 08-29-2016, 11:28 AM.

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