Comments Thread For: Golovkin: This is Different, I'm Not Doing What Canelo Did!

[PunchyPotorff]

He's right, it's worse. Canelo took a welterweight up 8 pounds. Golovkin is taking a welterweight up 13.

That's close to what I was thinking. GGG just needs to either shut up trying to cover it up, or admit it's just an easier way out. But the thing is, we won't really know how comparable this is to Khan/Canelo until GGG/Brook has actually taken place. My thinking is it won't have been that much different. But we'll find out soon enough.

[Metho_4u]

No win situation for GGG.

He loses and he was a hype job who lost to a WW, he wins and he was a MW who beat a WW.

Horrible decision to sign

One step forward followed 3 steps back

You don't think if he were to lose he would be considered a hype job?

[jbpanama]

Bottom line, brook is not a weak chinned hype job pretender like Khan..

He's an undefeated Champ at 147, Very big welter, with Balls.

Khan against the Cinnamon Man, had the name to coral the suckers...

big Dif!!!

[jbpanama]

I just wish the great GGG was as willing to fight guys that campaign in divisions higher than his home spot. As he is to fight guys campaigning in divisions lower than his beloved 160lb max.

GGG goes where the Bread is, have U noticed?

Bring on the Middles, who are avoiding the possibility!

[Metho_4u]

You may not consider Canelo a MW champ, however the MW lineage, Ring mag, ESPN, Fight News, and others disagree with you. I am glad you can see the ducking ways of Canelo. I guess we'll just have to disagree on this being the exact same since I dont see one guy selecting, seeking out, a welterweight contender as being the same as accepting a welterweight champ, after seeking a MW champ of the world, then the British MW champ. Just not the same to me. Again, you mention 157. 157 has nothing to do with this. GGG was signed to fight Eubank. Eubank tucked his tail and Brook stepped up. Hearn made the offer to Brook for 160. 157 was never discussed. Brook signed the contract to fight at 160. If you have a problem with that, you should take it up with Ezekiel Brook. Its not Golovkins fault that 2 MW champs wouldn't fight amd a welterweight champ agreed to the terms set forth to fight Chris Eubank. You should also take your grievance up with Eubank for leading not only Golovkin, but all of us boxing fans, on for several weeks.

Like it has been pointed out, time is not on Golovkins side career wise. He doesnt have time to sit and wait, or go back to square one with another fighter who could just jerk him around like Canelo and Eubank have been doing for months now, when there is a guy willing to step up to the plate and be a man

He's had 35 other opportunities to pick more quality opposition, if that meant moving up or down. The fact is we hear a guy say "yeah, I'll fight anybody from this weight to that" most real fans of the sport will say, hey, awesome .... finally a guy not so focused on money...but in reality, when it comes down to it, they have no intention of it. Right now I can only think of Paul Williams, that was a guy who lived up to his word, even if he turned out to not be the best fighter, he still backed up the talk. Golovkin, said that and hasn't lived up to it. Maybe jacobs, eubank, etc etc are scared of the guy...maybe instead they are getting ****Ty offers too. What looks more impressive, golovkins fight with the felon Wade? Or Jacobs' first rd ko of Quillin? So, in that regard, when Jacobs says "I think I should be well compensated" he's got a strong case for that. This is another dare to be great. Why doesn't golovkin just take short money, fight him, and then if he wins, he can say hey, I beat this guy and so I want more for my next fight? I just read an article from 2014 on Andre Dirrell, who said that because he was 1-1 in the amateurs with golovkin, he would love to have him come to 168 and fight him again. Golovkin maybe a MW now, but he was 165 in the Olympics, and so was Dirrell, so it's not like that fight couldn't have happened 2 years ago. Do you know how far advanced his career would've been had that fight taken place and he won? The guy has taken NOT risks, has not dared to be great, and has a team where they seem to THINK he's the A side in every negotiation, and he's not. The canelo fight imo is about money. If he was willing to go down and fight Floyd at 154, but not Canelo at 155, I think that's a ****** career choice. What's been his career high payday so far? 3 million? Had he been offered the same 13 million gorgeous Canelo, do you think he would've taken it? Because, if he fought Floyd, you think he would've gotten much, if any more than that? Think again.

[mick1303]

Has Brook ever failed to make weight at 147? I don't think he has but you'd think that wasn't the case with the way some posters go on about his weight struggles.

Golovkin deserves less criticism than Canelo because he's not the ducker in their situation but this matchup is still worse in my opinion. Khan had obvious advantages and you could see an avenue to victory but there's just no way Brook can win this, the extra weight will negate a lot of the speed advantage he might have had.

Fact-check before you say something. It helps to avoid looking ******. Brook fought above ww limit 13 times.

[Metho_4u]

Bottom line, brook is not a weak chinned hype job pretender like Khan..

He's an undefeated Champ at 147, Very big welter, with Balls.

Khan against the Cinnamon Man, had the name to coral the suckers...

big Dif!!!

And I despise khan, but Khan has the better resume, do I think he would beat Brook? Absolutely not, however, there's more decent names on paper. Khan could've done better, but he's a ****** fighter who starts to get too confident and loses his focus, Brook's two fights with Jones already tell me all I need to know, if he had faster and better footwork such as a Floyd type of fighter, I'd be giving him a much better chance. Brook was chosen for this very reason. He gets cornered, or on the ropes and he gets hit...a lot. That's how this fight will end. Gets cornered, ref stops it.

[Metho_4u]

Fact-check before you say something. It helps to avoid looking ******. Brook fought above ww limit 13 times.

What weight was brooks last fight? Yeah..thought so. Here's another one. In those 13 times, how many of those opponents were anywhere near top tier fighters? Yeah, thought so. One more...IBF says 10 lb rehydration limit, how much is that? Yeah 157... 13 (THIRTEEN) lbs below golovkins fight night weight...at the least. If brook is able to make 147 and perform just fine with a 10 lb rehydration limit, I'd say the weight argument is beyond bull**** for golovkin fans.

[GGG Gloveking]

He's had 35 other opportunities to pick more quality opposition, if that meant moving up or down. The fact is we hear a guy say "yeah, I'll fight anybody from this weight to that" most real fans of the sport will say, hey, awesome .... finally a guy not so focused on money...but in reality, when it comes down to it, they have no intention of it. Right now I can only think of Paul Williams, that was a guy who lived up to his word, even if he turned out to not be the best fighter, he still backed up the talk. Golovkin, said that and hasn't lived up to it. Maybe jacobs, eubank, etc etc are scared of the guy...maybe instead they are getting ****Ty offers too. What looks more impressive, golovkins fight with the felon Wade? Or Jacobs' first rd ko of Quillin? So, in that regard, when Jacobs says "I think I should be well compensated" he's got a strong case for that. This is another dare to be great. Why doesn't golovkin just take short money, fight him, and then if he wins, he can say hey, I beat this guy and so I want more for my next fight? I just read an article from 2014 on Andre Dirrell, who said that because he was 1-1 in the amateurs with golovkin, he would love to have him come to 168 and fight him again. Golovkin maybe a MW now, but he was 165 in the Olympics, and so was Dirrell, so it's not like that fight couldn't have happened 2 years ago. Do you know how far advanced his career would've been had that fight taken place and he won? The guy has taken NOT risks, has not dared to be great, and has a team where they seem to THINK he's the A side in every negotiation, and he's not. The canelo fight imo is about money. If he was willing to go down and fight Floyd at 154, but not Canelo at 155, I think that's a ****** career choice. What's been his career high payday so far? 3 million? Had he been offered the same 13 million gorgeous Canelo, do you think he would've taken it? Because, if he fought Floyd, you think he would've gotten much, if any more than that? Think again.

Ok, this post really has absolutely zero to do with what we're talking about but I'll try to address it anyway. You say he had 35 other opportunities to pick better opposition? You mean, when he turned pro from the vastly deep rooted boxing country of Kazakhstan (lmao), he had a say in who he got to fight? That just sounds laughable to me. And you're saying when he was with the now bankrupt and defunct German promoter, that was pushing Felix Sturm instead, that he could just say, I want this guy, and get a fight? Again, laughable. Were talking about a guy from basically a third world country, not Floyd.

You bring up a statement made 4 years ago, but cant provide any example from 4 years ago of ANYONE in that range accepting the challenge. He has said repeatedly that his goal is to unify the belts at MW. For years now. He is a Saunders fight away from doing that.

You say maybe Jacobs, Eubank(Canelo, Saunders, Cotto, Martinez, Sturm, Chavez, Froch) etc etc are afraid or maybe they got sh itty offers. Eubanks offer was so sh itty that Kell Brook signed it IMMEDIATELY. That just doesnt make sense. This guy jumps up from welter to middle for a sh itty offer? Jacobs never even allowed himself to receive a sh itty offer. Upon hearing that the WBA would order the fight, Jacobs made himself unavailable immediately after being inactive for many months after Quillen fight. So you cant say Jacobs got a sh itty offer. He ran before an offer could even be made. Canelo vacated his, I mean Golovkins, belt, before negotiations could be finished. Before the fight would go to purses where Canelo would have received the larger portion. Cant say he got a sh itty offer either. You think Canelo could make more against Golovkin, or Liam FN Smith?

The next piece you give me is just pure comedy. You say Golovkin should take the short money against Jacobs...wtf?! The WBA 'regular' (JV) champ should make more than the WBC, IBF, WBA, IBO champ. That's just funny. Golovkin is not running a soup kitchen here. You probably think he should fight Saunders for free too, right? But humor me, please, and tell me why Golovkin, the champ, the bigger draw, the more popular fighter, should take short money against Danny Jacobs.

Again, you bring up Canelo at 155. Canelo invited the man into the ring, told him he would fight at 160 because "we dont FuŠk around in Mexico". That kills all that BS 155 talk. There is a big difference between fighting a 154 champ at 154 and fighting a 160 lb champ for the WBC, WBA, IBF, IBO, Ring, and Lineal championships at the bare minimum of the weight class. Really big difference. Do you have anything at all to suggest that GGG was offered $13M to fight Canelo, at ANY WEIGHT? The only thing I heard, which was prior to the Khan fight I believe (not 100%) was a 90-10 split for Canelo. You think Canelo-GGG fight would do $143M? Think again. Or rather, think for once, given the absolute lunacy of your last post

[Elroy The Great]

im actually hoping brook pulls off the upset of the decade. what sport will 3gs fans take up next ?