Comments Thread For: Cuadras: Chocolatito Has an Appointment With a Knockout

[Motorcity Cobra]

No science behind it? are you kidding me!!! It doesn't take a genius to see that if you put a welter vs. a lightheavy thats really dangerous!

You're twisting the argument. You know damn well I was talking about the unecessary lower weight classes with 3 and 4 pound differences. Those classes were created by the sanctioning orgs to create more belts and get more money. Like I said, if they were necessary and had science to back it up, the amateurs would have the same weight classes.

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You're twisting the argument. You know damn well I was talking about the unecessary lower weight classes with 3 and 4 pound differences. Those classes were created by the sanctioning orgs to create more belts and get more money. Like I said, if they were necessary and had science to back it up, the amateurs would have the same weight classes.

Thats your speculation and using the amateurs system is completely void of substance in the pros as they don't go full twelve and are very careful about KOs giving the fighter a standing eight right way : completely different models. I think you are forgetting that in 1909 the science is not up to todays standard yet it was a science nonetheless for there day...as they did get rid of bareknucle fighting and 48 rounders, started to set up rings ; using gloves, taking measurements for height/reach and weight then logically you could arrive at the logical conclusion that more weight classes are needed to have a fair and competitive sport...and at the same time add more protection to the fighters in doing so.

I mean there was no cruiser-weight division separating the lightheavy weights from the unlimited HW or take into account 168 was not one of the original divisions either this means you had to jump from 160 to 175! and right now these modern day prize fighters such as Canelo and GGG are crying about 5 pounds! there is obviously a reason for catchweights -- I think fighters and trainers know a little more about how important those extra pounds can be in a fight than you or me.

[Motorcity Cobra]

Thats your speculation and using the amateurs system is completely void of substance in the pros as they don't go full twelve and are very careful about KOs giving the fighter a standing eight right way : completely different models. I think you are forgetting that in 1909 the science is not up to todays standard yet it was a science nonetheless for there day...as they did get rid of bareknucle fighting and 48 rounders, started to set up rings ; using gloves, taking measurements for height/reach and weight then logically you could arrive at the logical conclusion that more weight classes are needed to have a fair and competitive sport...and at the same time add more protection to the fighters in doing so.

I mean there was no cruiser-weight division separating the lightheavy weights from the unlimited HW ? or take into account 168 was not one of the original divisions either this means you had to jump from 160 to 175! and right now these modern day prize fighters such as Canelo and GGG are crying about pounds! there is obviously a reason for catchweights -- I think fighters and trainers know a little more about how important those extra pounds can be in a fight than you or me.

Ok. Show me the scientific research paper and I'll read it to see why the scientist picked these specific classes

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Ok. Show me the scientific research paper and I'll read it to see why the scientist picked these specific classes

I just told you its not up to todays standards but anyone can see it was evident in how the sport evolved as I already noted: we went from bare-knuckle to gloves from fighting in pits to the ring ; taking weight measuring height/reach ect... like I said before that it does not take a genius to see that this was evident from the very beginning/foundation of weight classes to see how important weight cut offs where in the lower weights but you want stats? ok then its evident even in the foundation of the weight classes how the same pattern is readily visible from the modern day model.

flyweight @ 112 lbs 6 LBS!

bantamweight @ 118 lbs 8 LBS.

featherweight @ 126 lbs 9 LBS.

lightweight @ 135 lbs 12 LBS.

welterweight @ 147 lbs -13 LBS.

middleweight @ 160 lbs - 15 LBS. from Light heavyweight.

light heavyweight @ 175 - 25 pounds if you consider 200 plus to be unlimited.

heavyweight unlimited

Compare this list to the last one I gave you -- any sensible person will arrive at the conclusion that they where taking into account the fighters safety and trying to maintain a fair and competitive sport.

Final point our ancestors where not as ****** as people think...and I know this is a corrupt sport and people automatically assume that the sanctioning bodies would only implement these rules/weight classes for personal gain but I like to think positively about boxing and like to see the good in our sport.

[Motorcity Cobra]

I just told you its not up to todays standards but anyone can see it was evident in how the sport evolved as I already noted: we went from bare-knuckle to gloves from fighting in pits to the ring ; taking weight measuring height/reach ect... like I said before that it does not take a genius to see that this was evident from the very beginning/foundation of weight classes to see how important weight cut offs where in the lower weights but you want stats? ok then its evident even in the foundation of the weight classes how the same pattern is readily visible from the modern day model.

flyweight @ 112 lbs 6 LBS!

bantamweight @ 118 lbs 8 LBS.

featherweight @ 126 lbs 11 LBS.

lightweight @ 135 lbs 12 LBS.

welterweight @ 147 lbs -13 LBS.

middleweight @ 160 lbs - 15 LBS. from Light heavyweight.

light heavyweight @ 175 - 30 pounds if you consider 200 plus to be unlimited.

heavyweight unlimited

Compare this list to the last one I gave you -- any sensible person will arrive at the conclusion that they where taking into account the fighters safety and trying to maintain a fair and competitive sport.

Final point our ancestors where not as ****** as people think...and I know this is a corrupt sport and people automatically assume that the sanctioning bodies would only implement these rules/weight classes for personal gain but I like to think positively about boxing and like to see the good in our sport.

I'm talking about modern because I"m talking about the newer weight classes. You say they were created for science purposes I say they were created for money. I'm sure these sanctioning bodies funded a scientific study for the new weight classes. I wanna check it out

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I'm talking about modern because I"m talking about the newer weight classes. You say they were created for science purposes I say they were created for money. I'm sure these sanctioning bodies funded a scientific study for the new weight classes. I wanna check it out

I thought it was about money myself but I changed my mind when I seen there is a pattern from the beginning of the weight classes and you know today there is more research being funded by the sanctioning bodies : right now at the top of my head I can think of the WBC and as you stated the Olympics having said that I think if these weight classes were to be based on solely modern day scientific research I dare to say we would have even more divisions! because of the athletic commissions responsibility to oversee the safety of the fighters. Its hard as it is keeping up with the lower weights and people are talking about adding a super-heavyweight division now! crazy.

[j0zef]

Maybe I'm not giving Roman the respect he deserves, but aftering seeing him wobbled vs. Viloria, and reading how fighters similar to Roman start to decline in their late 20s, the more I think this may be the next upset.

[KeyboardWarrior]

Should be a great fight

[Nicoya415]

This is chocolatitos first time being the main event on a hbo card he knows this and he will be ready on september 10 so is cuadras knowing this is a big opporunity but we are going to see the best roman gonzalez to date on fight night and he will show that he is a special fighter and why hes p4p #1

[PunchyPotorff]

Maybe I'm not giving Roman the respect he deserves, but aftering seeing him wobbled vs. Viloria, and reading how fighters similar to Roman start to decline in their late 20s, the more I think this may be the next upset.

Plus the last fight vs Arroyo he looked weak. With this fight, both are pretty much equal IMO. Should be a good action fight. Both have the same KO ratio, both are fast, good pop. Really looking forward to it.