Comments Thread For: Froch: Kovalev is The Best Pound For Pound, Not Chocolatito

[Madison Boxing]

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yeah it is embarrassing, you should have checked his boxrec before saying he has no good wins.

[Robbie Barrett]

yeah it is embarrassing, you should have checked his boxrec before saying he has no good wins.

Geale coming off a loss to Barker and went on to get dominated by Cotto.

Murray who lost to a shot Martinez and went on to lose to a shot Abraham and get dominated by Groves.

Lemieux who lost to Rubio and Alcine.

Nobody ever heard of Wade and Monroe.

The rest are just a joke that you mentioned.

Barrera is easily the same level as those career defining fights of Golovkins.

[b Murphington]

Who said the HW division has not been the premier division historically speaking? Im addressing the comment you made saying that the heavier fighter should be ahead of the lighter fighter ; thats being biased. The answer you provided is pitiful ( Power?) what about the level of skill? there is no way that the HW division is more skilled that the welterweights...like I said they are usually clumsy, fat and drug cheats...why should they get the nod simply because they can hit harder? as oppose to facing a more skilled opponent who happens to be lighter?

You're misunderstanding the point I made. I said all judging criteria being equal. Meaning a lighter fighters resume and legacy, his quality of opposition being equal to the heavier fighters, the heavier fighter should get the nod on the P4P spot. All other things being equal. And that's because of the simple fact that a heavier fighter risks taking more damage since as you go up in weight, you face more power.

I'm sorry. I don't know how I can make this any more clear.

[b Murphington]

Who said the HW division has not been the premier division historically speaking? Im addressing the comment you made saying that the heavier fighter should be ahead of the lighter fighter ; thats being biased. The answer you provided is pitiful ( Power?) what about the level of skill? there is no way that the HW division is more skilled that the welterweights...like I said they are usually clumsy, fat and drug cheats...why should they get the nod simply because they can hit harder? as oppose to facing a more skilled opponent who happens to be lighter?

Hypothetically, you have a featherweight who's awesome right? Cleaned out his divison, fought everyone. Undefeated, but he's fought everyone he can fight, took on all challengers. And let's say you have his like middleweight or light heavyweight equal counterpart. The heavier fighter should beat out that lighter fighter because he faces more power in a heavier divison.

Did that clear things up?

[1hourRun]

You're misunderstanding the point I made. I said all judging criteria being equal. Meaning a lighter fighters resume and legacy, his quality of opposition being equal to the heavier fighters, the heavier fighter should get the nod on the P4P spot. All other things being equal. And that's because of the simple fact that a heavier fighter risks taking more damage since as you go up in weight, you face more power.

I'm sorry. I don't know how I can make this any more clear.

Ok bro Im going to destroy this argument once and for all.....listen can HW's move up in weight? answer is NO! guess who is right now? CHOCOLATITO so how is he fighting a bigger man not subjecting himself to greater harm?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GTFO!

[Madison Boxing]

Geale coming off a loss to Barker and went on to get dominated by Cotto.

Murray who lost to a shot Martinez and went on to lose to a shot Abraham and get dominated by Groves.

Lemieux who lost to Rubio and Alcine.

Nobody ever heard of Wade and Monroe.

The rest are just a joke that you mentioned.

Barrera is easily the same level as those career defining fights of Golovkins.

barker was a good fighter, no shame in losing to him. dominic wade gave respected veteran sam soliman all he could handle, murray was shot against groves, lemuiex was knocking people out left right and centre.

[Robbie Barrett]

barker was a good fighter, no shame in losing to him. dominic wade gave respected veteran sam soliman all he could handle, murray was shot against groves, lemuiex was knocking people out left right and centre.

Those wins are garbage a Kovalev win is worth more than everyone on Lil G's resume put together. Embarassing that you think Ward shouldn't be #1 P4P for beating Kovalev but having Golovkin top 5 for that shocking resume.

[b Murphington]

Ok bro Im going to destroy this argument once and for all.....listen can HW's move up in weight? answer is NO! guess who is right now? CHOCOLATITO so how is he fighting a bigger man not subjecting himself to greater harm?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GTFO!

Jumping up in weight from that size isn't as impressive as jumping up in weight in a heavier divison. For example, Roy Jones fighting for the heavyweight title is a much, much, much more impressive feat. I know I know, it was against Ruiz, but I'm using it as an example.

Moving up in weight is impressive, but at the same time, Chocolatito where he is now isn't fighting the big, power punchers like you might fight in say middleweight and up.

Manny Pacquiao's climb in weight was legendary. That was mighty impressive.

And again, I'm stating my point from a hypothetical situation. When all things equal, the guy fighting in the heavier divison is more impressive.

Look at it like a tie breaker dude. That's the point I'm trying to make.

[Madison Boxing]

Those wins are garbage a Kovalev win is worth more than everyone on Lil G's resume put together. Embarassing that you think Ward shouldn't be #1 P4P for beating Kovalev but having Golovkin top 5 for that shocking resume.

if ward beats kovalev easily and fairly i.e no clinching and headbutts, then he will be in contention for p4p number 1

[1hourRun]

Jumping up in weight from that size isn't as impressive as jumping up in weight in a heavier divison. For example, Roy Jones fighting for the heavyweight title is a much, much, much more impressive feat. I know I know, it was against Ruiz, but I'm using it as an example.

Moving up in weight is impressive, but at the same time, Chocolatito where he is now isn't fighting the big, power punchers like you might fight in say middleweight and up.

Manny Pacquiao's climb in weight was legendary. That was mighty impressive.

And again, I'm stating my point from a hypothetical situation. When all things equal, the guy fighting in the heavier divison is more impressive.

Look at it like a tie breaker dude. That's the point I'm trying to make.

Again you are making false claims - a welterweight has a frame that can fill into a HW ; its not uncommon for these men to move up in weight like the greats have throughout the past : James Toney , RJJ, Hearns , Hopkins etc. In contrast the frame of a flyweight usually is rather limited to carry so much weight and effectively compete at higher divisions for example when was the last time a flyweight reached welterweight? its unheard of....Therefore Pacquiaos climb up eight divisons ( or More I cant remember right now ) is greater than RJJ or Hearns...not because of the number but because how he pushed his body to the limit and still competes at the highest level.

Final point that if you look at the in ring fatalities you should not be surprised how much greater the rate is in the lower weights from 160 and up.