Comments Thread For: Errol Spence: Some Have It, Some Don't - I Have The 'It' Factor

[joseph5620]

Regarding Algieri as a living dog, especially after those losses is IDIOTIC

You mean like how you thought Postol was a good fighter until he lost to Crawford? You're a fuc king clown.

[-MAKAVELLI-]

he definitely has the 'it' factor

Spence has become must-watch-tv for this fight fan

[GMAN SUPREME]

the only thing spence has is a ****** haircut.I want to see if he's packing a glass jaw he hasn't been hit by a real puncher yet.algieri and bumdu are about as feather fisted as it gets.

[ssc73]

So, you think he'll dominate the elites the way he's dominating the 'also rans'? I wouldn't bet on it friend.

That's not what I said......I said that in terms of similar opposition, he'll continue to outperform them and once he gets his shot at a top WW, I do think he'll win. I didn't say he'd beat them like he's beating Algieri.

But let's look at the WW Champions:

Vargs? EASILY outboxes the kid, likely stops him around 8.

Garcia? Like Garcia. But Spence has the range and footwork to avoid the hook and I don't think Garcia can beat him unless he can hurt him. That's the only 'if' there and he'd have to be on his A-Game to catch Spence. Garcia is good if you come at him or stand and trade but he's fairly one-dimensional. He showed good boxing skills vs Matthyse but that was vs a brawler, not a boxer with a chin.

Thurman: Test of power and speed. This one is a little closer to me. But I do believe that Spence puts combinations together much better, is far better at breaking up pressure and cutting the ring. Who imposes the best game plan wins. Don't know enough yet to say for sure but as far as pure fundamentals and a complete package, I think Spence will eventually erase the current question mark with Thurman.

Brook: This one is a toss up to me. Not because I think Brook is so much better than the others-except for Vargas. But he is very strong and may be able to frustrate Spence with clinches, the well-timed up jab he uses, he's very solid, not as athletic as Spence but a very rugged fighter that could make it a very ugly fight.

Against all four, I'd still put money on Spence in every one. To me, Crawford is his toughest test at the moment........as I expect him to move to 147 now that he has dispensed with Postol.

And I'd never count Bradley out in any fight.....

I'd like to see Spence take a couple fights vs guys like Orozco, Peterson, Benavidez........that next tier of guys as part of his progression. Khan would be a great fight for him to prove he's for real as well. My bet is he'd stop Khan before Canelo did. And Khan is still rated 3 i believe?

Speaking of guys that are on that all but elite level, I also think Berto is too easily counted out. I'd like to see him get a shot at Vargas....I think he'd win that one........

The real question for me comes down to this.....on the list of top WW, who do I think could beat Pac and give Floyd all he could handle at this stage? Maybe even push him where he hasn't been and force the best out of him given the youth on their side and technically much better than Canelo??

I have two names: Crawford and Spence. I think they both beat Pac with his recent 35 punch per round performances........Unless Manny gets back up to 60-70 punches per round, using angles and beating guys up with pure speed and power and stop trying to out counter punch couter-punchers, Spence and Crawford would beat him IMO.

Of all the guys listed including Pac, I think both are tougher fights for Floyd at this point because of their height, reach, and both can cut the ring better than Pac, particularly Spence on the latter......Floyd is admittedly a step to far for probably any of these guys......but out of all of them, Spence and Crawford would give him the toughest fight IMO. Unless, as I said, Pac gets back to his own killer instinct and tries to win with volume at 60-70 punches per round.

I know that seems sacrilegious to Floyd fans but he is 40......

To be clear, I still wouldn't bet against Floyd. Yet. But I would bet he'll never fight either of those two. That's too big a risk with 50-0 on the line should he decide to come back.

Manny may end up fighting Crawford after hearing what Roach had to say and given they have the same promoter, that's easy to make.........we'll see........but I'd take Crawford in that fight.

For those reasons, I believe Spence and Crawford are the best at 147. And saying they'd push Floyd to the limit isn't a stretch. Mayweather admitted that in sparring over three years ago now, Spence did just that. And he's clearly better now.......

[PunchyPotorff]

That's not what I said......I said that in terms of similar opposition, he'll continue to outperform them and once he gets his shot at a top WW, I do think he'll win. I didn't say he'd beat them like he's beating Algieri. But let's look at the WW Champions: Vargs? EASILY outboxes the kid, likely stops him around 8. Garcia? Like Garcia. But Spence has the range and footwork to avoid the hook and I don't think Garcia can beat him unless he can hurt him. That's the only 'if' there and he'd have to be on his A-Game to catch Spence. Garcia is good if you come at him or stand and trade but he's fairly one-dimensional. He showed good boxing skills vs Matthyse but that was vs a brawler, not a boxer with a chin. Thurman: Test of power and speed. This one is a little closer to me. But I do believe that Spence puts combinations together much better, is far better at breaking up pressure and cutting the ring. Who imposes the best game plan wins. Don't know enough yet to say for sure but as far as pure fundamentals and a complete package, I think Spence will eventually erase the current question mark with Thurman. Brook: This one is a toss up to me. Not because I think Brook is so much better than the others-except for Vargas. But he is very strong and may be able to frustrate Spence with clinches, the well-timed up jab he uses, he's very solid, not as athletic as Spence but a very rugged fighter that could make it a very ugly fight. Against all four, I'd still put money on Spence in every one. To me, Crawford is his toughest test at the moment........as I expect him to move to 147 now that he has dispensed with Postol. And I'd never count Bradley out in any fight..... I'd like to see Spence take a couple fights vs guys like Orozco, Peterson, Benavidez........that next tier of guys as part of his progression. Khan would be a great fight for him to prove he's for real as well. My bet is he'd stop Khan before Canelo did. And Khan is still rated 3 i believe? Speaking of guys that are on that all but elite level, I also think Berto is too easily counted out. I'd like to see him get a shot at Vargas....I think he'd win that one........ The real question for me comes down to this.....on the list of top WW, who do I think could beat Pac and give Floyd all he could handle at this stage? Maybe even push him where he hasn't been and force the best out of him given the youth on their side and technically much better than Canelo?? I have two names: Crawford and Spence. I think they both beat Pac with his recent 35 punch per round performances........Unless Manny gets back up to 60-70 punches per round, using angles and beating guys up with pure speed and power and stop trying to out counter punch couter-punchers, Spence and Crawford would beat him IMO. Of all the guys listed including Pac, I think both are tougher fights for Floyd at this point because of their height, reach, and both can cut the ring better than Pac, particularly Spence on the latter......Floyd is admittedly a step to far for probably any of these guys......but out of all of them, Spence and Crawford would give him the toughest fight IMO. Unless, as I said, Pac gets back to his own killer instinct and tries to win with volume at 60-70 punches per round. I know that seems sacrilegious to Floyd fans but he is 40...... To be clear, I still wouldn't bet against Floyd. Yet. But I would bet he'll never fight either of those two. That's too big a risk with 50-0 on the line should he decide to come back. Manny may end up fighting Crawford after hearing what Roach had to say and given they have the same promoter, that's easy to make.........we'll see........but I'd take Crawford in that fight. For those reasons, I believe Spence and Crawford are the best at 147. And saying they'd push Floyd to the limit isn't a stretch. Mayweather admitted that in sparring over three years ago now, Spence did just that. And he's clearly better now.......

Of all those you named, I think at least two throw questions at Spence he wouldn't be able to answer... Crawford and maybe 1 more at random. BUT, I think Spence would beat Floydie. Probably not easily, but it would be a definite W for Spence. And that's the exact reason Floydie would never choose Spence for a #50 fight if he decided to return. Which I'm nearly 100% sure he won't. I recently retired from a 30 year gig. I have absolutely zero interest in ever returning to it. So I can see just what Floydie means when he says he's retired for good. But IF he did, he'd choose another B fighter. He would never risk #50 to chance.

There's a lot of talent now in the division Spence currently calls home. He'll get a belt eventually... but I don't think he'll totally clear out the division. And that's just some poor schmuck's opinion. Have a fun weekend.