Is boxing rec still fair and objective??lol

[Sun_Tzu]

I would pick Tito to beat Floyd at WW.

Tito's a ATG WW, a big strong long huge punching beast. Floyd's in his 4th weight class at WW.

I don't give Floyd much chance against a lot of the ATG natural WW's.

I agree with you.

[bojangles1987]

Fair and unbiased since day one yup. That will forever be a classic nsb thread

That was very entertaining.

[Don Pichardo]

I would pick Tito to beat Floyd at WW.

Tito's a ATG WW, a big strong long huge punching beast. Floyd's in his 4th weight class at WW.

I don't give Floyd much chance against a lot of the ATG natural WW's.

That's a good distinction. Floyd Imo whip most welters. The atgs however not so much. The interesting thing is I don't see any current welters to be able to fade Floyd. Thurman is the only one with a remote chance. What say y'all. I don't think garcia does it.

Of course niether are atgs at welter.

[Pigeons]

He's the mother****ing goat!

[Larry the boss]

I agree Floyd is excellent. However you cannot be goat with an 0 in your loss column. The 0 reflects a lack of challenge. Strange how today a loss is viewed so negatively.

Miss the 90s when a loss wasn't viewed as bad. Look at Trinidad. No one really faults him for his losses. But he called out ALL the top guys no matter the weight class and actually fought them. Trinidads losses are Winky, Hopkins and jones jr. All three great fighters and the latter two will forever be mentioned as all time greats. Trinidad went up two weight classes to fight these guys and if I remember correctly 3 for jones. Dude was never scared and I think Trinidad is higher on the goat list than Floyd partly due because of his losses.

Hopkins is higher than both imo for similar reason le as Trinidad but did it for much longer.

wtf???? so winning 11 titles in 5 divisions while fighting 23 current or former champions..while fighting the #1 guy in all 5 divisions is not challenging yourself?? wtf?? you have to LOSE TO BE GREAT?? who raised you?

[Jc8804]

Mayweather is listed as the #1 ranked p4p fighter OF ALL TIME...G.O.A.T!!!!!!LOL

Boxing rec for more reasons than 1 is a joke.

Im just keeping it real.

[Larry the boss]

Boxing rec for more reasons than 1 is a joke.

Im just keeping it real.

Tell Freedom that

[Don Pichardo]

wtf???? so winning 11 titles in 5 divisions while fighting 23 current or former champions..while fighting the #1 guy in all 5 divisions is not challenging yourself?? wtf?? you have to LOSE TO BE GREAT?? who raised you?

Come on man. You know that's not what I precisely said or meant. Floyd no doubt is an atg. The goat however he is not. We all know it is incredibly unlikely the Floyd would still have his 0 if he fought cotto, Mosley manny Oscar etc when he should have; that is when everyone wanted to see those fight and when everyone was in their prime. Floyds feat of keeping his 0 is no doubt a great feat but their is clear distinction from what he did to what Trinidad, Hopkins and Marciano did. That's all I said. I can't imagine anyone including you disagreeing with that. But if you do lets just agree to disagree.

[Combat Talk Radio]

wtf???? so winning 11 titles in 5 divisions while fighting 23 current or former champions..while fighting the #1 guy in all 5 divisions is not challenging yourself?? wtf?? you have to LOSE TO BE GREAT?? who raised you?

Let me help you out.

You have two populations of "Floyd Evaluators".

1. Those that focus on WHO Floyd fought and beat, regardless of when, and whether or not his opponent was close to his level
2. Those who focus on WHEN Floyd fought particular fighters under the hindsight theory that he might have lost

See, #2 is the issue and what gets on my nerves.

AFTER Floyd makes easy work of certain fighters, even fighters that are still in the Top 10, even when they're fresh off dominant wins (Mosley), even when they're considered at least #2 (Pacquiao), even when they're at that moment the biggest perceived threat to Floyd (Canelo), even when they're the #1 contender (Guerrero)....it doesn't matter to these people. They'll make excuses because they have the benefit of hindsight.

They're saying "who cares that you lost, it was to an ATG, so that's better than not facing said ATG at the peak of their career".

These are the same people who blatantly ignore Floyd's rise, and his damaged hands as the reason he changed styles. Same reason Hearns changed styles, BTW. Hearns wasn't always a KO artist - he turned into basically Floyd Mayweather at the latter part of his career because of his hands, and frankly, a much better fighter who was able to evade and even take punches much better than when he was swinging for the fences. Don't see anybody criticizing that change.

Is Floyd #1 all time? I don't know. It depends on your criteria. I say no - simply because he doesn't have enough fights to consider it, in my opinion, win/lose/draw. You've got guys who have over 100 fights with very few losses to compare against.

[b00g13man]

TBE baby!!!