Why So Much Praise For The "If Only" Fighters: (Toney, Judah, Khan, etc.)

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  • -PBP-
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    Why So Much Praise For The "If Only" Fighters: (Toney, Judah, Khan, etc.)

    If only James Toney was more disciplined, he would be one of the greatest fighters of all time.

    If Only Zab Judah wasn't a mental midget, he would have been an all time great fighter.

    If only Amir Khan can avoid the big punch for 12 rounds, he would have won.


    These types of sayings happen so much that people actually start to believe the bull****. Why is at that these fighters losses get written off as "mental lapses" rather than flaws in their game? Do people actually watch the fights or do they just repeat what they hear on an Ellie Sechback video?

    When you look at James Toney's fights, he excelled against fighters that came to him. His performances against Iran Barkley, Evander Holyfield, John Ruiz, Samuel Peter (yes he was robbed), Vassily Jirov were magical. But when he fought guys that showed a little movement, had an effective jab and made him lead, he wasn't so great. It took him 24 rounds and he still couldn't figure out Montell Griffin and often struggled with below average opposition.

    Zab Judah had a combination of power, handspeed and timing that made even the most knowledgeable boxing heads drink the Kool-aid at times. But he lost every big fight he was in. He looked the part at times and was the last undisputed welterweight champion which is a great accomplishment. But he wasn't a very smart fighter and it showed every time he stepped up in class.

    And Amir Khan is the funniest of the bunch. People fall in love with his handspeed but ignore how he backs up in straight lines and is as good as useless on the inside. But when he loses, it's always "if only his chin held up". There's not many fighters that would remain standing after a lot of those shots that KO'd Amir Khan.

    I'm not questioning the talent of these fighters. They are all world class fighters, became unified champions and had tremendous accomplishments. Respect to all of them.

    But can we stop pretending that their losses weren't due to anything other than being flawed fighters? And accept them for what they are.
  • M Bison
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    Lmao... No, he wasn't robbed against Samuel Peter, Sam won both times fair and square.

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    • -PBP-
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      #3
      Originally posted by Red Cyclone
      Lmao... No, he wasn't robbed against Samuel Peter, Sam won both times fair and square.
      Toney won the first fight, IMO.

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      • Larry the boss
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        #4
        Who ever even mentions Toney or Judah yet alone praise them? and Khan is laughed at more then praised

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          #5
          Originally posted by larryusa
          Who ever even mentions Toney or Judah yet alone praise them? and Khan is laughed at more then praised
          There's a new Toney thread every week. They are even saying he's a greater fighter than Hopkins.

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          • Tom Cruise
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            #6
            Not sure id put Toney in this, but people often overrate fighters who are athletically/physically gifted but lack ring IQ.

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            • *TonyMontana*
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              #7

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              • TripleGFightFan
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                #8
                Originally posted by Mc,Lovin
                LMAO @ your avi and posted pic...khan really is a floyd stalker...

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                • Madison Boxing
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                  #9
                  fair points but i think khan is a curious choice, is pretty much mocked by everyone on this site

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                  • IronDanHamza
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by -PBP-
                    Toney won the first fight, IMO.
                    Absolutely was not robbed.

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