GGG vs Arlen Lopez - Best Fight in Boxing

[pesticid]

He was 16-17 when he was fighting at 132. Artur was in the 140's when he was 16.

It's not rubbing me the wrong way at all.
I actually remember telling you that I really liked Lopez and you told me you didn't like him a few months ago.
I am just pretty confident that Artur hits harder P4P than Lopez.

I am not a fan of Arlen, not a big fan anyway. I thought he lost his final in Cuba and I am pretty sure Beterbiev at 175 hits harder.

What I said though is correct is that Arlen competed as a senior at 132 and going up from 132 to 165 and knocking people out is a big deal.

[MDPopescu]

In theory he can become a pro. A couple years ago Cuba announced they are allowing athletes to go pro abroad. It's been a slow transition though and at first it was a very small number of athletes but it's been increasing more recently. So of this continues, in bigger numbers, we should see much more Cuban pro boxers without needing to defect.

... López, at his age, would have a good future at the pros -- provided that those U.S. promoters give him fights.

[HI-TECH Boxing]

I am not a fan of Arlen, not a big fan anyway. I thought he lost his final in Cuba and I am pretty sure Beterbiev at 175 hits harder.

What I said though is correct is that Arlen competed as a senior at 132 and going up from 132 to 165 and knocking people out is a big deal.

I am not saying Lopez doesn't hit hard. I said he definitely hits harder than Kovalev and probably even GGG, but Artur is just in another level in my opinion

The same can be said for Artur though. Artur started his senior career at a lower weight not 178. He later moved up to that weight.
By the way, back then you could enter as a senior at the age of 17 (sometimes even younger), so what I said was correct. Lopez was 132 when he was 17.
Artur was in the 140's-150's around the same age.

And yeah we discussed that fight he had at nationals. Even though I really like Lopez I agreed with you and told you that he looked horrible. I don't even think that fight was close.

It's whatever bro. Lopez is a monster either way. I like both Lopez and Alimkhanuly, so I don't know who to root for.

If I'm not mistaken Arlen Lopez, Mohammed Rabii, and Vitaly Dunaytsev were all in the same weight class at one point. It's crazy that now all three will probably medal at these Olympics. Rabii already has at least a Bronze.
That weight class was 141 pounds by the way. Dunaytsev is still at that weight class, Rabii is at 152, and Lopez is at 165.
Note: The year was 2010.

[pesticid]

I am not saying Lopez doesn't hit hard. I said he definitely hits harder than Kovalev and probably even GGG, but Artur is just in another level in my opinion

The same can be said for Artur though. Artur started his senior career at a lower weight not 178. He later moved up to that weight.
By the way, back then you could enter as a senior at the age of 17 (sometimes even younger), so what I said was correct. Lopez was 132 when he was 17.
Artur was in the 140's-150's around the same age.

And yeah we discussed that fight he had at nationals. Even though I really like Lopez I agreed with you and told you that he looked horrible. I don't even think that fight was close.

It's whatever bro. Lopez is a monster either way. I like both Lopez and Alimkhanuly, so I don't know who to root for.

If I'm not mistaken Arlen Lopez, Mohammed Rabii, and Vitaly Dunaytsev were all in the same weight class at one point. It's crazy that now all three will probably medal at these Olympics. Rabii already has at least a Bronze.
That weight class was 141 pounds by the way. Dunaytsev is still at that weight class, Rabii is at 152, and Lopez is at 165.
Note: The year was 2010.

Cool, let me ask you smth how come you like Yelesinov better than Dunaytsev? Not a fan of Yelesinov, best footwork probably better than De La Cruz but doesn't punch off his back foot with conviction. Dunaytsev on the other hand moves just as well but punches hard from the back foot.

PS: Argilagos and Savon lost fair and square, Iglesias didn't and I told you he lost badly against Ukraine earlier this year but I'll cheer with my heart out against Gyasanov.

[j0zef]

either you're a the worst poster here or you're the biggest troll.

Dude, I gave you BOXING reasons why I think that. Instead of offering a counter arguments in BOXING terms, you're complaining about 'is this a boxing board'.

Lomachenko definitely is not the only exception, just look at boxing in Japan. Talented fighters are moved very quickly there.

I don't understand why you would think Rubio would "destroy" Lopez. That's crazy to me. Talent is talent.

All of the pro fighters that participated in the Olympics lost. So what does that say? For starters it kills the theory that just because guy is a pro doesn't necessarily mean they are better than top amateurs. I would definitely favor a potential Gold or Silver medalist over some faded journeyman. Sure, obviously you would want a fighter to get a few fights in first but to assume Rubio of all people would destroy anyone is pretty absurd considering where he is at in his career (Rubio ****ing sucks).

Also, why are you saying he and his opponents aren't used to getting hit without headgear? Headgear has been gone for a while now and all of these fighters in the Olympics have been fighting without headgear before the Olympics started (obviously they had to go through qualifying tournaments, etc).

Correct - my point is not that all pros are better than amateurs, but that a career amateur would most likely lose their first fight in the pros if they're matched up against a top fighter. The best MMA fighter of all time would lose against any top20 boxer in their first match. It's a different skillset. There's more rounds, different gear, different approach, etc., not even to mention the experience. Having experience of getting hit in the head without headgear over the course of 12 rounds, by world, or at least B+ pros, is VASTLY different than getting hit in the head for 3 rounds by some young kid. It's not even close.

Not even the top pros in Japan are being moved up that quickly. Inoue, who has an impressive resume for a young kid, fought some D- level fighters in his first few bouts in order to get him acclimated to the pros.

Please don't misunderstand - there's a good chance that Arlen Lopez can turn out to be a great pro. He seems to have good skills and power. But to suggest that this kid can come in and challenge a hardest hitting, olympic medalist with 10 years of pro experience is absolutely laughable. Right now, at this moment, Golovkin knocks him out in 1 round, and any top20 fighter (which was my original statement), knocks him out in 4-5.

[Madison Boxing]

Anyone who thinks Rubio beats him doesn't know boxing.

rubio is a solid veteran. just cause GGG put him away in 2 doesnt mean hes crap. he gave chavez jr hell

[el_locoteee]

Lol. No. Anyone in top 20 would destroy him. His level of competition has been ultra low, and these amateurs just started boxing without headgear.

World Series of boxing started 6 years ago fighting without headgear. And they fight pro style 3 to 5 rounds.

Anthony Joshua was fighting and "robbing" boxers since 2012 with headgear and came to the pros knocking people out like is nothing.

Yunier Dorticos the same, Gamboa the same, Rigo The same, GGG the same.

Arlen Lopez no headgear WSB bouts 3 years 17 fights.

Arlen Lopez 2016 WSB Record

TKO R3 ZHAO Minggang 2 No headgear bouts (KO, Never)
TKO R2 TIBUKOGLU Evren 5 No headgear bouts (KO, Never)
TKO R5 HOLOVASHCHENKO Taras 3 No headgear bouts (KO, Never)
TKO R3 RODRIGUEZ Misael 11 No headgear bouts (KO, Never)
TKO R1 KHAKBERDIEV Ulugbek 3 No headgear bouts (KO, 1 time)
TKO R3 Williamson Troy 4 No headgear bouts (Ko, Never)

[Butt stuff]

Dude, I gave you BOXING reasons why I think that. Instead of offering a counter arguments in BOXING terms, you're complaining about 'is this a boxing board'.


Correct - my point is not that all pros are better than amateurs, but that a career amateur would most likely lose their first fight in the pros if they're matched up against a top fighter. The best MMA fighter of all time would lose against any top20 boxer in their first match. It's a different skillset. There's more rounds, different gear, different approach, etc., not even to mention the experience. Having experience of getting hit in the head without headgear over the course of 12 rounds, by world, or at least B+ pros, is VASTLY different than getting hit in the head for 3 rounds by some young kid. It's not even close.

Not even the top pros in Japan are being moved up that quickly. Inoue, who has an impressive resume for a young kid, fought some D- level fighters in his first few bouts in order to get him acclimated to the pros.

Please don't misunderstand - there's a good chance that Arlen Lopez can turn out to be a great pro. He seems to have good skills and power. But to suggest that this kid can come in and challenge a hardest hitting, olympic medalist with 10 years of pro experience is absolutely laughable. Right now, at this moment, Golovkin knocks him out in 1 round, and any top20 fighter (which was my original statement), knocks him out in 4-5.

I get what you mean, Lomachenko is a rare talent and one of the best amateur records of all time. But Salido managed to "rough him up" with pro tricks and handed him his first loss. Same way Hopkins used to do, you could have someone more talented and physically gifted but Hopkins was smart about the pro game and could outfox other fighters.

[deathofaclown]

Maybe this wave and the next wave of cubans won't have biscuit chins like the others now they don't wear headgear. They might be used to taking a shot.

[Sup]

165 pounds? Since when was that a weight class.