Comments Thread For: Pacquiao's Potential HBO PPV Departure, Mayweather II Influence

[ADP02]

1. Pacquiao didn't mention the injury until the post fight press conference.
2. Pacquiao stated he was fine going into the fight.
3. Pacquiao checked the box that said he had no injury.
4. Freddie Roach stated there would be no excuses and the best man will win.
5. NSAC doctors checked out Pacquiao and said he was fine.

“They never filed any legal paperwork with the commission prior to the fight that he was hurt. We had Dr. (Timothy) Trainor and Dr. (James) Game check him out, and it was an easy decision on our part.”
http://www.reviewjournal.com/sports/...s-injury-claim

6. Pacquaio's own physician said he was fine.

We interviewed the physicians representing Manny, and they advised us his health and safety would not be at risk if he fought without the injection."
http://www.boxingscene.com/pacquiaos...ne-july--90674

If he was fine going into the fight, you have nothing to complain about. Mayweather claimed to have had his shoulder injury for 10 years, yet he never made excuses. Tell your lord and savior to stop being a bltch.



1. The method was not illegal as per NSAC, and not illegal as per USADA. You need to get your facts straight.

2. You still can't even tell me how this IV was going to help him cheat. Do you care to explain? Tell me what you think he was doing with this IV so I can rip you a new one.


Stop with your bull**** speculation. Again, show me where any boxer has ever declared dehydration to NSAC. Show me where NSAC's doctors have ever deemed a fighter to be dehydrated. You and I both know you can't....so you have no legs to stand on.


Why would other boxers have needed to get a retro TUE for something that is not illegal according to NSAC's rules? This is a WADA rule, in case you are not aware.


Manny flat out lied and blamed it all on NSAC. Barring him doing that, NSAC wouldn't have been up his ass. you know it and I know it. It's very simple. NSAC isn't concerned with dehydration. That is clear. No boxer in NSAC history has been found to be dehydrated. Injuries aren't even looked into...unless you want to throw NSAC under the bus, then they will attack. Your lord and savior shouldn't have made up bltch ass excuses.


It's illegal without a TUE because the UFC is now under the WADA protocol since USADA took over their drug testing. Did you know that, or just talking out your ass as usual?


Let's see. One tried to blame the whole shlt show on NSAC, the other, who apparently had an injury for 10 years, didn't mention shlt. Again, if your lord and savior wasn't such a bltch, they wouldn't have threatened his ass.

1. What? You said it in the other post that Manny said it just before the fight to the NSAC. Even your own link says it! Go read!
2. Manny wanted to fight. You think Margarito was fine to fight with his eye? You think he said he wasn't fine?
3. Floyd did the same. So you do not believe Floyd and his IV excuses?
4. Ignoring what I said?
5. NSAC also checked out Floyd and said he was fine. So you do not believe Floyd and his IV excuses?
6. Manny's doctor advised Manny that he can fight with the injury. And? Plus Manny made it worse after the 3rd and 4th rounds! FULL THICKNESS TEAR!!!
and confirmed by Manny's doctor.

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1. "Many UFC fighters have used IV hydration to quickly rehydrate during the precious 24 hours between weigh in and fight night. However with the USADA taking over as UFCs anti-doping enforcement agency and the subsequent ban on IV hydration, dehydration has become a real and serious risk for all UFC fighters."

So they cannot expect to rehydrate using an IV. Even in cases where they need to possibly rehydrate 10% or more but Floyd was allowed with close to 0-1% .... it does not make sense except to a Floyd fan who wants to protect FLoyd at all costs.

2. Floyd delayed giving a complete sample for 6 hours! This is very important.
If Floyd micro dosed, it could have made the difference between being caught by finding a trace amount of PEDs or nothing.

Drinking fluids and using that IV could have lowered his HT.

Well, go read what USADA and WADA state. Its all explained.

"WADA has justified the inclusion of IV infusions on the Prohibited List given the intent of some athletes to manipulate their plasma volume levels in order to mask the use of a prohibited substance and/or to distort the values in the Athlete Biological Passport. "


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Speculation? You are full of that but that never stopped you with speculating about Manny's injury and you have NOTHING!!!


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First Floyd and his fans want to clean up the sport but now they are trying to bring up stuff like you are doing. "When has a boxer declared to NSAC ...."

Sorry but NSAC said it to Manny that they need to be aware. So same with Floyd. So yes, I can stand on that but its you that cannot. Floyd had a serious medical condition and required an IV. Manny had a serious condition too. They both should have mentioned it to the NSAC but didn't. The problem is that you cannot admit to that!


The below was meant for Manny. If they were aware at the time that Floyd disclosed nothing, Showtime would not have said this:
"All previous and on going medical conditions must be disclosed to the Nevada State Athletics Commissions.... neither fighter discloses an injury (medical condition)"
- Showtime - INSIDE MAYWEATHER VS. PACQUIAO | Epilogue


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Above you said don't speculate but here you are speculating.

NSAC has stopped fighters due to injuries. That's why some fighters go to other jurisdictions where they can get a license to fight.



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So that is why the athlete cannot expect to do what Floyd did. Get an IV then later ask for permission to use an IV.

Let me know of a UFC fighter or anyone who had their weight as stable as a rock and admitted to making weight easily but required an IV and a RETRO TUE due to the reasons that Floyd pointed out.

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So lets see, Floyd gets to do whatever he wants and you think that he would be wanting to blame others too? Thanks for the laugh!!!

and to say that Floyd doesn't mention is a crock. They still bring up years later that his poor performance against Castillo was due to his tear. But if it was so bad, why did he quickly discuss a rematch? You are OK with Floyd's BS .... that is the real problem here.

[Bronx2245]

DEFLECTION CITY!!!

Since you like Castillo statements:
Asked for his reaction to Floyd Mayweather Jr.'s claim that he injured his right shoulder prior to their April 20 fight at the MGM and that the ailment worsened in the third round, Castillo didn't mince words.

"Mayweather always has an excuse," he said, a full grin overtaking his face. "Anytime he's in a tough fight it's because he hurt his hand, his finger, his elbow.

"It's the same thing all the time." - Castillo

The difference in Mayweather and Pacquiao is that Mayweather always wins!

[Combat Talk Radio]

Can you read? They didn't mention shlt initially. They only mentioned it as they tried to explain why the **** they were attempting to shoot Manny up with Toradol. NSAC found no evidence of an injury, Pac's physicians said he was fine, Roach and Pac said he was good to go. Arum said he was good to go, if I remember correctly. He didn't need the shots. Point blank, period.

Oh, I'm sure he needed the shot. Would have made his body numb, allowing him to walk through punches instead of being affected by them.

That's MY theory of why Manny really lost, and the way to know for sure is to see if he took that shot before Bradley 2 and 3. If he didn't take it before Bradley 2 then it's proof positive the shot was effectively a PED for him.

[brettWall]

HBO most likely wanted Paqcuaio vs Crawford. Bob Arum said no.

[Mzembe]

why is floyd's fan praising floyd in that fight? as bad was pacquiao performance.. ppl think he did..floyd was just as bad and even worse with all that care bear hugging.."your fighting scared ..fight like you fight!!!" its crazy how these lunatics are thinking..

if you dont want pacquioa vs mayweather..then dont watch..if ppl do want that fight will.. who effin cares... this stuff is funny

its two ATGs fighting each other ..relax

and all i know, pacquiao has demonstrated he does better in rematches

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The greatest ducker and cherry picker in boxing history continues his trend of cherry picking fights he and his team know he can win. A brief history to those vaginas who truly believe that Pacman is a demi god:

Brandon Rios: An absolute garbage fight. Rios was coming off a loss and was a 135Ibs fighter for fcuk's sake. Rios is a human punching bag to top it off
Algieri: Prior to that fight, nobody on this planet knew who Algeiri was and it was a catch weight fight. One of many.
Mosley: Was coming off a UD loss to Floyd. How the fcuk do you justify fighting a guy that was just completely beaten up?
Hatton: Got destroyed by Floyd then spoon fed by Arum to Pacman.
Cotto: Weight drained to fight at 145
Oscar: Weight drained to fight at 147
Clottey: WTF!! Another puching bag that just came in for a paycheck
Jesse Vargas: Why? Why not Crawford or Thurman or Brooks or a real WW?

Pacman's record is littered with rematches after rematches (Marquez x4, Morales x3, Barrera x2, Bradley x3) - 12 fights Total.

Lastly, why can't Pac fight a true WW?? How is he considered an all time great when he has done nothing to fight real contenders.

You are still here with your "all I know is Pac does better in rematches" .. What is wrong with you people?

[MC Hammer]

Nope.
- There was a discussion prior to the fight where the NSAC heard Manny's team say they needed it for the injury. Discussion was about the same shoulder injury. Are you calling this all coincidence?
- Manny had a renowned super doctor confirm this.
- Meds were listed on the form and approved by USADA. By itself its maybe not enough but add the above info, its plenty. Meds were used for the injury.
- Manny's corner (Roach and S&C Coach) said that Manny did mention it after the 4th round.

Floyd said it bothered him, yes, but he still went on to throw more jabs in that fight than in the rematch! More jabs than in quite a few of his fights.
Castillo was interviewed and said he say nothing wrong with Floyd.

-What discussion, the one where the put on paper that there was no injury?
-The "super doctor" finished the surgery n 90 minutes. That was not anywhere near the reconstruction that Manny's team stated was needed. All the doctor said is that there was a surgery.
-Yeah and Saline and IV's are approved by NSAC, but somehow you guys complain about Floyd using them. Torodol is a pain killer that Manny wanted in order to be numb to Floyd's offense.
-I'm sure they did say he mentioned it AFTER they put out the excuse. Not once when the the camera's were in the corners did the shoulder come up. And didn't Manny throw more rights than lefts?

[Mzembe]

[QUOTE=ADP02;16948604]Many thought Castillo won. There were plenty of boos in the crowd. Floyd heard all that and knew he was lucky to win that fight. More importantly, Floyd was using the excuse to explain his poor performance.


- Manny had a FULL THICKNESS TEAR.
- IV scandal
- Ref was not calling any of the illegal stuff done by Floyd.
- Vegas/US judges. Not even a neutral judge. Dave Moretti judged 9 of 11 of Floyd's last fights.
- NSAC stand for Nevada SAC ..... wanted to investigate Manny not Floyd. Guess who helps get the judges/refs for the fight?


You look at the fight objectively, the fight was close. Floyd didn't do much of anything. Manny, who was hurt, did more damage on Floyd. Two judges had it by 2 rounds .... Judges incorrectly gave Floyd round 3 for starters. It could have easily been called a draw.

While Manny may never get a fair shake in Floyd's hometown, at least he can fight him healthy next time ......
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So the fcuk what if Floyd "lost" to Castillo?? You idiots are still harping on about a fight that happened more than 10 years ago!! If Castillo had the blue print to beat Floyd, didn't Floyd give him a rematch? Did he prove that he "won" the first fight? NO HE DID NOT!! That is an undisputed FACT.

The greatest ducker and cherry picker in boxing history continues his trend of cherry picking fights he and his team know he can win. A brief history to those vaginas who truly believe that Pacman is a demi god:

Brandon Rios: An absolute garbage fight. Rios was coming off a loss and was a 135Ibs fighter for fcuk's sake. Rios is a human punching bag to top it off
Algieri: Prior to that fight, nobody on this planet knew who Algeiri was and it was a catch weight fight. One of many.
Mosley: Was coming off a UD loss to Floyd. How the fcuk do you justify fighting a guy that was just completely beaten up?
Hatton: Got destroyed by Floyd then spoon fed by Arum to Pacman.
Cotto: Weight drained to fight at 145
Oscar: Weight drained to fight at 147
Clottey: WTF!! Another puching bag that just came in for a paycheck
Jesse Vargas: Why? Why not Crawford or Thurman or Brooks or a real WW?

Pacman's record is littered with rematches after rematches (Marquez x4, Morales x3, Barrera x2, Bradley x3) - 12 fights Total.

Lastly, why can't Pac fight a true WW?? How is he considered an all time great when he has done nothing to fight real contenders.

[JASON SHAW]

yeah, floyd cherrypicked clottey, rios, algieri now vargas! Oops thats manny hahahaha

go suck your man's d ic k

yeah, floyd cherrypicked Clottey, Rios, Algieri now Vargas! Oops thats Manny Poochuiao the Cherrypicker hahahaha you delusional Pac"TurD"

[JASON SHAW]

Thanks for destroying these lying pac"turds" with facts

[QUOTE=Mzembe;16949043]

Many thought Castillo won. There were plenty of boos in the crowd. Floyd heard all that and knew he was lucky to win that fight. More importantly, Floyd was using the excuse to explain his poor performance.


- Manny had a FULL THICKNESS TEAR.
- IV scandal
- Ref was not calling any of the illegal stuff done by Floyd.
- Vegas/US judges. Not even a neutral judge. Dave Moretti judged 9 of 11 of Floyd's last fights.
- NSAC stand for Nevada SAC ..... wanted to investigate Manny not Floyd. Guess who helps get the judges/refs for the fight?


You look at the fight objectively, the fight was close. Floyd didn't do much of anything. Manny, who was hurt, did more damage on Floyd. Two judges had it by 2 rounds .... Judges incorrectly gave Floyd round 3 for starters. It could have easily been called a draw.

While Manny may never get a fair shake in Floyd's hometown, at least he can fight him healthy next time ......
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So the fcuk what if Floyd "lost" to Castillo?? You idiots are still harping on about a fight that happened more than 10 years ago!! If Castillo had the blue print to beat Floyd, didn't Floyd give him a rematch? Did he prove that he "won" the first fight? NO HE DID NOT!! That is an undisputed FACT.

The greatest ducker and cherry picker in boxing history continues his trend of cherry picking fights he and his team know he can win. A brief history to those vaginas who truly believe that Pacman is a demi god:

Brandon Rios: An absolute garbage fight. Rios was coming off a loss and was a 135Ibs fighter for fcuk's sake. Rios is a human punching bag to top it off
Algieri: Prior to that fight, nobody on this planet knew who Algeiri was and it was a catch weight fight. One of many.
Mosley: Was coming off a UD loss to Floyd. How the fcuk do you justify fighting a guy that was just completely beaten up?
Hatton: Got destroyed by Floyd then spoon fed by Arum to Pacman.
Cotto: Weight drained to fight at 145
Oscar: Weight drained to fight at 147
Clottey: WTF!! Another puching bag that just came in for a paycheck
Jesse Vargas: Why? Why not Crawford or Thurman or Brooks or a real WW?

Pacman's record is littered with rematches after rematches (Marquez x4, Morales x3, Barrera x2, Bradley x3) - 12 fights Total.

Lastly, why can't Pac fight a true WW?? How is he considered an all time great when he has done nothing to fight real contenders.

THANKS FOR DESTROYING THESE LYING RACIST SCUM PAC"TURDS"!

[jqSide]

THANKS FOR DESTROYING THESE LYING RACIST SCUM PAC"TURDS"!

Only brodda lives matter with these race supremacist scums of the earth. Doesn't matter his roidweather hero tests positive 3 times. Uses Lance Armstrong's ped masking style. Referred to as the best eva, but fights Berto, Ortiz, Maidana, weight-drained Canelo, out of prime Cotto, Guerrero... yuk! best eva my ass.

Keep embarrassing yourselves broddas. Keep using alts to hide your chicken feelings.