Three HBO PPV's in a 4 week span?

[HeroBando]

If that's the way it goes, That's pretty f.ucked up on HBO part


They have to know that there going to be taking buys away from each other.

I don't think this is HBO's choice. Pac is unretiring, that's ppv. Cotto they'd love to put on regular Hbo but he's got some insane guarantee. That's RNs problem so they'll have to take the hit on ppv.

[JJRalkman]

Pathetic considering they can't even be bothered have an event on regular HBO more than once a month.

[BennyBlanco]

Hbo doesn't want to spend money on boxing. It's a dead sport in America. Boxing fans are about 5% of total subscribers, hbo gets a lot more return from their shows like sopranos, game of thrones, true blood, etc. They are trimming back on boxing and spending the money on TV series.

FALSE. The percentage of HBO and SHO subscribers who say they follow boxing has been fairly consistent over the years: generally between 25% and 35%.

Hbo use to spend 150 mil on boxing, but now just a fraction due to the waning popularity.

FALSE. HBO never spent 150M in boxing in a particular year. The highest the HBO budget for all of sports has ever been is $100M, which was more than a decade ago - and that $100M was for docs, Inside the NFL, boxing and everything else.

HBO's whole plan in boxing was to spend money promoting fighters on regular hbo, and long term, make tons in PPV.. But now the sport is so badly managed, that in America their is a lack of star power.

Nope. There is no such thing as the network making tons of $ in PPV. Never in the history of boxing has the network made "tons" of money from PPV.

Remember a decade ago, hbo had major PPv draws in roy, Oscar, vargas, lennox and also had guys like prince, morales, barrera, floyd that could still do 300-500k.. Now the 2nd biggest star Golovkin can't even break 200k.

FALSE. Roy, Vargas and Lennox were never reliable PPV draws. Roy only topped 500K buys twice, and Vargas and Lennox were B-sides. Morales & Barrera were only PPV draws against each other, and Prince was never a PPV draw in the U.S.

[darius45]

No way HBO sticks with this schedule right? One of these will be moved to regular HBO.

Nov 5
Manny Pacquiao vs. TBA

Nov 19
Sergey Kovalev vs. Andre Ward

Dec 3
Miguel Cotto vs. TBA

November is going to be a hell of a month for boxing if Manny fights Crawford...and who knows what PBC/Showtime might put on in that month too.

I really hope they do some sort of 24/7 build up to the Ward/Kovalev fight.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

FALSE. The percentage of HBO and SHO subscribers who say they follow boxing has been fairly consistent over the years: generally between 25% and 35%.


FALSE. HBO never spent 150M in boxing in a particular year. The highest the HBO budget for all of sports has ever been is $100M, which was more than a decade ago - and that $100M was for docs, Inside the NFL, boxing and everything else.

Nope. There is no such thing as the network making tons of $ in PPV. Never in the history of boxing has the network made "tons" of money from PPV.
FALSE. Roy, Vargas and Lennox were never reliable PPV draws. Roy only topped 500K buys twice, and Vargas and Lennox were B-sides. Morales & Barrera were only PPV draws against each other, and Prince was never a PPV draw in the U.S.

Lmao... You must be someone's mom

1. 25-35%. From 38 million subscribers that would be like 8-9 million.. Why is the highest rated boxing less than 4 million and usually between 1-3 million

2 what does my figures for hbo boxing matter,, it's in obvious decline. And there is numerous reports saying they spent 150 million in the late 90s early 2000s.
If your so knowledgable, give us a year by year breakdown of what hbo spends on boxing

3. You're an idiot thinking hbo doesn't make money off PPV.. There's a reason why hbo is only investing in kovolev, GGG, Canelo fights. Those are the only guys they see as becoming long term ppv stars. Guys like vargas and lennox could easily get over 250k if not 300k and higher. It's no coincidence that while PPv Stars have dropped so has hbo's budget... It's beyond ****** to think networks don't make money off PPV.. That's why hbo is paying money for crap like Ward-brand,, they are only paying in the hopes of Ward-kovolev being a big PPv... Lennox and roy may never be 1 mil+ PPv stars, but they always drew above 250k buys or higher.. And they were never the "stars" of their generation compared to guys like Evander and Oscar.. Now hbo's biggest star canelo cant break 1mil buys in the biggest fight in boxing vs cotto. The 2nd biggest star in Golovkin can't break 175k in buys,,, ****ing pretty boy floyd had over 320k with baldomir,,, tyson vs mcbride did 220k.. Yet now the 2nd biggest star on hbo boxing, Golovkin can't break 175k..

[soul_survivor]

No way HBO sticks with this schedule right? One of these will be moved to regular HBO.

Nov 5
Manny Pacquiao vs. TBA

Nov 19
Sergey Kovalev vs. Andre Ward

Dec 3
Miguel Cotto vs. TBA

Pac and Kov will definitely be PPV.

Depending on the opponent, Cotto may get taken off PPV but I doubt it. HBO knows they'll do solid numbers with Pac, not quite prime numbers but more than anyone else in the sport. Kov v Ward is a big risk though. I'd be surprised if it even does 100k.

[BennyBlanco]

Lmao... You must be someone's mom

1. 25-35%. From 38 million subscribers that would be like 8-9 million.. Why is the highest rated boxing less than 4 million and usually between 1-3 million

2 what does my figures for hbo boxing matter,, it's in obvious decline. And there is numerous reports saying they spent 150 million in the late 90s early 2000s.
If your so knowledgable, give us a year by year breakdown of what hbo spends on boxing

3. You're an idiot thinking hbo doesn't make money off PPV.. There's a reason why hbo is only investing in kovolev, GGG, Canelo fights. Those are the only guys they see as becoming long term ppv stars. Guys like vargas and lennox could easily get over 250k if not 300k and higher. It's no coincidence that while PPv Stars have dropped so has hbo's budget... It's beyond ****** to think networks don't make money off PPV.. That's why hbo is paying money for crap like Ward-brand,, they are only paying in the hopes of Ward-kovolev being a big PPv... Lennox and roy may never be 1 mil+ PPv stars, but they always drew above 250k buys or higher.. And they were never the "stars" of their generation compared to guys like Evander and Oscar.. Now hbo's biggest star canelo cant break 1mil buys in the biggest fight in boxing vs cotto. The 2nd biggest star in Golovkin can't break 175k in buys,,, ****ing pretty boy floyd had over 320k with baldomir,,, tyson vs mcbride did 220k.. Yet now the 2nd biggest star on hbo boxing, Golovkin can't break 175k..

Take notes, son. You might learn something here.

1. There is a big different between live viewership (which is what ratings measure) and responding to a survey saying you're at least somewhat interested in boxing.

2. HBO's boxing budget peaked at $55M in 2004 and 2005. Has been on a slow decline since then. 2013 it was $35M. This year it's about half that.

3. Neither HBO nor Showtime make big money on PPV. The network gets a 10% distribution fee on PPV revenues - but that 10% is calculated after the cable and satellite take their half. So the networks get 10% of 50%, of 5%. So if a $60 HBO PPV does 1 million buys, that is $60 million in gross revenue, of which HBO gets $3 million dollars. BUT out of that $3M, HBO has to pay for TV production, insurance, T&E, AND the cost of the 24/7 series, which is usually $500K per episode.

That's why HBO isn't doing a 24/7 on Canelo vs. Smith. There's no money in the PPV, so no way for HBO to pay for the 24/7.

[Eastcoast]

RN can't afford to not have Cotto on ppv, HBO isn't putting up significant money to meet his crazy minimum. I wouldn't be surprised if Cotto sits out til next year. Too bad he doesn't want any real fights like Lara or the winner of J-Rock/Charlo, I'd pay for those.


I think if Canelo/Saunders happens, it'll have to be ppv to afford those two. BJS will likely want atleast $4mill.

[Rip Chudd]

Yeah i'm only buying Ward vs Krusher, unless Pac fights Crawford

[Wolfie*]

Ward/Kovalev is the only one I'm buying. Winner is p4p king.