Loma will get their but ATM he is not p4p top ten: He has the skills lacks resume

[animelive]

There is pedraza, corrales, Vargas, Muira...where you been...under a rock?


beating martinez isnt enough to say he is the best at 130

Miura lost to two of the champions in 130, how is he "elite"? That was my question. The assertion that there are so many elite boxers in every division is so pathetic. All good boxers, and Loma should look to fight them. Elite? Not so much. I'd argue that there is not even one elite fighter at 130. Loma is not the best yet but in the fights he has, he has had decent opposition and I am fine with that. I do think Miura will be a good fight for Loma though. He is like a gatekeeper of 130.

[KingHippo]

Technically everything is subjective in boxing, even the fighters you have beaten.

A lot less than the eye test, which can be biased.

[therealpugilist]

Miura lost to two of the champions in 130, how is he "elite"? That was my question. The assertion that there are so many elite boxers in every division is so pathetic. All good boxers, and Loma should look to fight them. Elite? Not so much. I'd argue that there is not even one elite fighter at 130. Loma is not the best yet but in the fights he has, he has had decent opposition and I am fine with that. I do think Miura will be a good fight for Loma though. He is like a gatekeeper of 130.

Muira is still world rated

elite means the top guys in a division and Muira has only lost to the very best. except one early lose and a loss to Vargas and takashi uchiyama,

I wouldnt relegate Muira to gatekepper so quickly...his lost to vargas was his first loss in 4 years and 4 title defenses

Also japanese fans are some of the best in the world. It would heighten his profile

[g27region]

Lomachenko has an amazing resume for a person with 7 pro fights, plus he has some historical achievments in pro boxing already, that's why he's on my top 10 p4p list now. I've used to say that Lomachenko is ovverated, because I'm Russian, and for some reason, I always have a prejudice against my own people - I'd better underestimate them then overestimate. I was hoping for Martinez and Gary Russell to whoop Lomachenko, but they failed me. So now Lomachenko is in my top 10 p4p

[KingHippo]

Lomachenko has an amazing resume for a person with 7 pro fights, plus he has some historical achievments in pro boxing already, that's why he's on my top 10 p4p list now. I've used to say that Lomachenko is ovverated, because I'm Russian, and for some reason, I always have a prejudice against my own people - I'd better underestimate them then overestimate. I was hoping for Martinez and Gary Russell to whoop Lomachenko, but they failed me. So now Lomachenko is in my top 10 p4p

I also have Lomachenko in my top ten, even though it bends the usual rules. And he gets respect from me for beating Russell, I don't see him as a bum.

But he could run into another road block in the future and we would all be wrong.

[therealpugilist]

I also have Lomachenko in my top ten, even though it bends the usual rules. And he gets respect from me for beating Russell, I don't see him as a bum.

But he could run into another road block in the future and we would all be wrong.

thats what made me hesistant to keep him in my top 10, people kinda erase the loss to salido but it happened.

I respect his skills and talent as well

[New England]

Oh man, if I cared more I would find the post from not long ago where realpugilist had Loma in his p4p top 10. This was like a month or two ago as part of one of his many "Golovkin isn't p4p top 20" rants.

my favorite is when he lists japanese fighters he's never seen over p4p white guys

[animelive]

thats what made me hesistant to keep him in my top 10, people kinda erase the loss to salido but it happened.

I respect his skills and talent as well

So context mean nothing? Are you going to ignore the clinch low blows from Salido? Are you going to ignore that the ref said he was ****e the whole game? Are you going to ignore that Salido came 2+ lbs over weight limit? Are you going to ignore that Loma lost the decision even thought he punched more and had more accuracy throughout the match than Salido?

Salido showed in that match that he was a **** puncher, not a boxer and if you are gonna tout that victory, it is kind of pathetic. It was a dark day for boxing.

[therealpugilist]

So context mean nothing? Are you going to ignore the clinch low blows from Salido? Are you going to ignore that the ref said he was ****e the whole game? Are you going to ignore that Salido came 2+ lbs over weight limit? Are you going to ignore that Loma lost the decision even thought he punched more and had more accuracy throughout the match than Salido?

Salido showed in that match that he was a **** puncher, not a boxer and if you are gonna tout that victory, it is kind of pathetic. It was a dark day for boxing.

other fighters have dealt with similar situations or the same situation and won.

guys come in over the limit and fight dirty all the time

Maidana was dirty vs floyd....Floyd adapted mid fight, and took over midway through the fight

so was Hatton, with the low blows, rabbit punches, etc.

you have to adapt to what you opponent is doing or fight fire with fire to make them know you're not having that and cant and wont be bullied

Sandy Saddler was dirty AF and Pep found a way to outbox him in the second fight. thumbs, elbows, hitting on the break, all that jazz was done.



If a fighter is fighting dirty, you cant expect the referee to prevent it

whats going to happen the next time Loma faces a tough hombre who is gonna crowd him, and not allow him to do what he does best, which is box and utilize his awesome footwork?

[therealpugilist]

my favorite is when he lists japanese fighters he's never seen over p4p white guys

.....what is it with you and race?

its 2016...ever heard of youtube....if you never heard of shinsuke yamanaka or watched him fight, not my problem

maybe you should try being a boxing fan for a day and actually watch the fights, instead of troll, which you suck at

since im sure you never saw him, nor do you have the attention span to watch a fight in its entirety

here is a highlight, step your troll game up



he defeated Darchinyan when he was still a good fighter, Anselmo Moreno who was considered a p4p type or near it, former titlist Tomas Rojas, Malcolm Tuñacao, and Suriyan Sor Rungvisai...you do realize those "white" guys dont have the resume he has, nor are they signed to fight their best contender in their division. He is giving Moreno a rematch soon.


if you dont follow boxing close enough, its not my problem