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  • #91
    Originally posted by Mr. Luthor View Post
    Are you slow? First of all, Middleweights do not get credit or acclaim for fighting unproven Welterweights. Secondly, Golovkin can accept any fight presented to him but, he and any other boxer, will be ridiculed when they publicly called the exact same fight "disrespectful to boxing", "disrespectful to boxing fans" and "bad for boxing". If it was all of these things in May when Canelo did it, then it has to be all of those things in September when Golovkin is doing it.

    Funny that you are trying to defend a type of fight that Golovkin called "bad for boxing".
    1) Canelo ducked Golovkin so that he can fight a welterweight/ Golovkin WAS DUCKED so that he can end up with a welterweighed.

    2) Kell Brook is an undefeated power punching welterweight champion/Amir Khan has no achievements at welterweight and has been KO'd by super feathers and Junior Welterweights.

    Clearly the situations are not the same. There is a reason for the saying that 'the devil is in the details'.

    Golovkin is a coward yes, but he is far less of a coward than Canelo. We'd actually need to invent a new word to describe the level of cowardice that Canelo and Cotto have reached.

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    • #92
      Originally posted by Progrssive_Jedi View Post
      September 10th was the HBO date given to GGG. By time Eubanks pulled their bs, they had nine weeks. That's one week to get replacement before 8 week camp starts. So yea, they pretty much had to take what was available.

      They get a fight that sold out in 12 minutes, huge exposure, and 5m.

      Degale is signing to fight a another fight. And Jacobs got out of the mandatory when he made the Mora fight.

      And of all other opponents, Brooks has better odds. He's 8-1. Ward v Brand is 85-1. The fight isn't that bad. Brooks isn't a small fighter.

      Considering it was plan E. A. Canelo, b. Susnders, C. Jacobs, D. Eubanks, and e. Brook, it isn't that bad.
      Degale is not signed to another fight yet and was in no different position than Brook was. You can't be plan B or C if there is no negotiations or even contact between promoters. Brook was Plan C at best.

      Can we stop comparing Ward's activities to try and justify something K2 and Trip does. Ward has a SIGNED contract to fight Kovalev. No one gives a fk who he fights between now and then.

      Lastly...reasoning how they had no choice but to fight Brook or highlighting the positives of fighting Brook doesn't put Trip in a better trash talking position. Tyson was feared...but people still got in the ring. Why? They got money. Trip is fun to watch but what's the incentive to fighting him if you aren't chasing belts?

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      • #93
        Originally posted by Ake-Dawg View Post
        Degale is not signed to another fight yet and was in no different position than Brook was. You can't be plan B or C if there is no negotiations or even contact between promoters. Brook was Plan C at best.

        Can we stop comparing Ward's activities to try and justify something K2 and Trip does. Ward has a SIGNED contract to fight Kovalev. No one gives a fk who he fights between now and then.

        Lastly...reasoning how they had no choice but to fight Brook or highlighting the positives of fighting Brook doesn't put Trip in a better trash talking position. Tyson was feared...but people still got in the ring. Why? They got money. Trip is fun to watch but what's the incentive to fighting him if you aren't chasing belts?
        Degale hasn't said a peep about any of this. It's his promoter, big money involved. What gives?

        Ggg doesn't care about trash talking, they want good opponents and good business.This fight will help on the business front, will make him that much more lucrative in the Uk. But he's already bringing more money to the challenger than most anyone else in boxing

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        • #94
          Originally posted by HeroBando View Post
          Degale hasn't said a peep about any of this. It's his promoter, big money involved. What gives?

          Ggg doesn't care about trash talking, they want good opponents and good business.This fight will help on the business front, will make him that much more lucrative in the Uk. But he's already bringing more money to the challenger than most anyone else in boxing
          If he doesn't care about trash talking then why is he doing it. Moreover lately at that. Khan Alvarez made a lot of money too but that didn't stop Trip from trashing the fight nor did it stop a lot of fans.

          Oh there was no need for DeGale to comment. He was never offered a fight or approached by K2 for a fight.

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          • #95
            Originally posted by Ake-Dawg View Post
            If he doesn't care about trash talking then why is he doing it. Moreover lately at that. Khan Alvarez made a lot of money too but that didn't stop Trip from trashing the fight nor did it stop a lot of fans.

            Oh there was no need for DeGale to comment. He was never offered a fight or approached by K2 for a fight.
            Eh by boxing standards Ggg is not much of a trash talker. These guys ducked him so brazenly after talking much ****, they had it coming in spades.

            Again dummy, K2 didn't make offers to any of these guys, including Brook, Eubank or Degale. Their promoter made a huge offer to Ggg. If Degale wanted it, Wed have heard about it before Brook signed, and definitely after Degale got stiffed by his own promoter of all that money. But it's crickets from him. Loeffler says, send an offer for December James, if you want it

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            • #96
              Originally posted by HeroBando View Post
              Eh by boxing standards Ggg is not much of a trash talker. These guys ducked him so brazenly after talking much ****, they had it coming in spades.

              Again dummy, K2 didn't make offers to any of these guys, including Brook, Eubank or Degale. Their promoter made a huge offer to Ggg. If Degale wanted it, Wed have heard about it before Brook signed, and definitely after Degale got stiffed by his own promoter of all that money. But it's crickets from him. Loeffler says, send an offer for December James, if you want it
              Another keyboard warrior with the name calling. By the way..saying the same **** the same way does not make for good discussion.

              1. There is absolutely no reason for DeGale to comment. He was not offered by Hearn nor did K2 request Hearn to offer him the fight. He is already on record saying he would fight Trip so why does he have to repeat that? Why does he have to cry to the media that he would have accepted if offered?

              2. Boxing's standards for trash talk? What exactly is that precisely? I'd rather focus on what's been said. Something about money fights being disrespectful to boxing and not being a businessman. Trip didn't HAVE to be fighting Brook. He had a choice. I'm not bemoaning his choice, because I never knick a fighter for getting money. I have a problem with ANY trash talk in this hypocritical situation and with fans who defend the hypocritical trash talk while making this fight more than just a money grab.

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              • #97
                Originally posted by Kigali View Post
                Because you're too much of a fanboy to admit it.

                Canelo has NEVER fought a MW fighter.

                Cotto is not a MW.

                One fight at 160 does not make a MW.

                GGG(a "small MW") couldn't make a catchweight to make his big money fight...but Hopkins(much taller than GGG) was able to make Oscar's catchweight in order to make that money.

                GGG is not about taking chances whatsoever.
                Has nothing to do with being a "fan boy" as you say. Just an observation. The guy is a force to be reckoned with no matter what you say. Who would you like GGG to "take a chance" with? Other than Ward who else?

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by SteveM View Post
                  Or what would it say about Brook's greatness?
                  Brook has nothing to lose, except consciousness, and everything to gain.

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by Sledgeweather17 View Post
                    1) Canelo ducked Golovkin so that he can fight a welterweight/ Golovkin WAS DUCKED so that he can end up with a welterweighed.

                    2) Kell Brook is an undefeated power punching welterweight champion/Amir Khan has no achievements at welterweight and has been KO'd by super feathers and Junior Welterweights.

                    Clearly the situations are not the same. There is a reason for the saying that 'the devil is in the details'.

                    Golovkin is a coward yes, but he is far less of a coward than Canelo. We'd actually need to invent a new word to describe the level of cowardice that Canelo and Cotto have reached.
                    1. Canelo hasn't even been a Middleweight Champion for 9 months and has never even fought at the middleweight limit of 160 pounds and some of you are already screaming "duck". Hilarious! Career middleweight Golovkin's 1st three title defenses were against Nilson Tapia (14-2-1), Kassim Ouma (27-7-1) and Lajuan Simon (23-3-2).....nuff said. Get back to me about Canelo "ducking" after a reasonable amount of time and some actually evidence to support your claim.

                    Not being able to secure a fight with Eubank Jr does not equate being forced to fight a Welterweight. There are 2 closer divisions to Middleweight than Welterweight and I haven't seen or heard of any boxers from those weight classes being contacted.

                    2. Being a "power punching" Welterweight in no way, shape or form means you should be fighting a power punching Middleweight Champion. Especially when the Welterweight in question is not even considered P4P but the Middleweight is. In regards to Canelo/Khan and Golovkin/Brook, unlike Golovkin, Canelo is not a career Middleweight and Canelo did fight Khan at the catch-weight of 155. On the other hand, career Middleweight Golovkin is fighting career Welterweight Brook at the Middleweight limit of 160. I personally believe there is a difference. Yes Khan's chin is flawed but Canelo has yet to KO a full sized Middleweight while Golovkin has KO'd 32 of them.

                    3. You seem to have an issue with Canelo and Cotto for not jumping in the ring with Golovkin even though (A) neither one of them have any reason to (B) Golovkin is not/was not willing to concede to their A-side demands (C) Golovkin brings absolutely nothing to the table for either one of them.

                    That's not cowardice, that's the business side of boxing....Just like Golovkin getting into the ring with a Welterweight for the money.

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                    • Originally posted by Progrssive_Jedi View Post
                      September 10th was the HBO date given to GGG. By time Eubanks pulled their bs, they had nine weeks. That's one week to get replacement before 8 week camp starts. So yea, they pretty much had to take what was available.

                      They get a fight that sold out in 12 minutes, huge exposure, and 5m.

                      Degale is signing to fight a another fight. And Jacobs got out of the mandatory when he made the Mora fight.

                      And of all other opponents, Brooks has better odds. He's 8-1. Ward v Brand is 85-1. The fight isn't that bad. Brooks isn't a small fighter.

                      Considering it was plan E. A. Canelo, b. Susnders, C. Jacobs, D. Eubanks, and e. Brook, it isn't that bad.

                      Team Golovkin got you fooled buddy.....

                      If Canelo was their plan A, they would have negotiated on the weight.

                      If Saunders was their plan B, they wouldn't have offered him 1.5mil.

                      If Jacobs was their plan C, they wouldn't have offered him Quillin money.

                      Brook The Bandit, was their Plan A.

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