Bernard Hopkins took calculated risks, he is 1 of the most overrated modern ATG

[therealpugilist]

I'm just saying on how some boxers are overrated as fuck. Just like how I agree with you with Hopkins. Calm down stan.

i had a moment bro...its so many times a thread becomes a may-bash fest

[ИATAS]

the first fight was competitive thats why he got a rematch genius

No actually that's not , he was mandatory two different times look it up yourself. There was a 5 year gap why? Because Allen worked himself back up to mandatory position. One was an NC due to a freak accident and they had to reschedule.

how would you know that my threads are trash, oh yea, you always post in them even though you dont like them...kinda ****** dont you think...if i dont like a thread i dont post in it

Look if someone is going to post inaccurate information I'm going to correct them on it, garbage thread or not.

Your threads always have an agenda. This thread is less about Hopkins and more about James Toney.

mando smando.....hopkins title contestants were some of the worst....Joe Lipsey, Willie bo James, allen 3x, etc.....he lost to his 2 best opponents...Jones and Tayor 2x...the rest were ww moving up.....washed up former champions, and never was contenders

Joe Lipsey was an undefeated fighter and a standout amateur. Hopkins ended his career.

Fact is Hopkins cleaned out the division. He did what he was supposed to do. While Don King kept his champions away from Hopkins and Hopkins was fighting the corrupt industry, he fought all the top middleweights and fought his mandatories which eventually led to the big fights and stardom. That's all you can ask a fighter to do. Young fighters need to take notes.

[IronDanHamza]

I made the thread because that was one of the best polls in a long time. The poll is neck and neck. CHeck my history I've spoke on Hopkins being overrated before.

How was IronDan schooling anyone when all he could say was tiberi doe, thadzi doe....not even recognizing Hopkins didnt fight the competition that Toney did, and toney beat better fighters....its about quality not quantity

Yeah mate, that's all I was saying

You refuse to adknowledge that Tiberi beat Toney. Something Hopkins would never do.

[IronDanHamza]

He is. Other greats like Hagler, Jones, Lewis, and Monzon are overrated greats too.

If going by the TBE standard, Floyd is more overrated.

Monzon overrated? Why?

[soul_survivor]

Calculated risks? What do you even mean by that, your entire post and many after have not explained that idea at all.

[IronDanHamza]

According to TS, Bernard Hopkins has a "deliberate style"

Can someone clarify what a "deliberate" style is?

[ИATAS]

According to TS, Bernard Hopkins has a "deliberate style"

Can someone clarify what a "deliberate" style is?

His style of fighting is conscious and intentional! What a chump!

lmao TS is a buffoon.

[Mr.Fantastic]

Monzon overrated? Why?

He feasted on smaller guys just like most MWs do. Could you honestly tell me boxers like Griffith & Napoles were real MWs? If I remember correctly from the fights, Monzon towered over them. You could tell easily that Monzon was just too big for them. Not saying Monzon wasn't great btw, just overrated. At least in my eyes.

[j0zef]

Hopkins is a great fighter but he often did things on his terms and was a hard nut when it came to negotiations

5 reasons why I say he is overrated

1) His success at an old age. People give him all the credit in the world for his wins but totally disregard his losses and shortcomings as a fighter

2) His middleweight title reign....he didnt unify the title until more than a dozen defenses over mostly non-discript opponents, washed up former champions, and flat out no hopers. His biggest win is over trinidad who has one good win over 154. ODLH didnt belong above 154, nor did a shot simon brown

3) Title defenses....newflash...Hopkins defended the unified/lineal title only 6 times and the ibf 20 times.....He holds the record for most defenses of a major title belt....carlos monzon holds the record for world's middleweight champion title defenses at 14.....2 totally different things

4) He fought his best opponents at crappy times in their careers.....intead of defend the middleweight title vs winky wright when winky was the man at 154, he fights him at 170, did the same thing with Pavlik.he rematches roy jones after he was ktfo a few times but wouldnt fight him at his best and wanted 50/50 from a guy who already beat him clearly, was a bigger star, and champion in a higher division. Basically he priced himself out to avoid eminent defeat..he knew he couldnt beat Jones in 1999-2003

5) He is supposed to be a tactician, have a high ring IQ. He does but its overrated. Speed and movement always troubled him. which is why robert allen got 3 title shots, Jones clearly beat him, Jermain taylor beat him 2x, he flopped vs Dawson and specialized in disarming come forward types but had trouble with counter punchers and guys who would let him set the pace like Kovalev


what do you guys think?

1) This is not a reason to think he's overrated. His accomplishments into old age practically make him unique in the boxing world. If anything, people don't understand what it actually means for a 50 year old guy to last 12 rounds with Kovalev.
2) Records are what they are. Don't put asterisks next to them because you think his resume isn't great. He reigned for a long time. Period.
Also, you're downplaying his win over Oscar for absolutely no reason. Oscar fought at 154 many times, and if anything, the catchweight was to ODLH's advantage, not Hopkins'.
3) You're comparing different eras where there were different # of belts. Apples and oranges.
4) Meh, this argument can be made for vast majority of people. People say this about ODLH, Floyd, Marciano and Pac. It's all subjective and I wont argue over it.
5) By saying "movement always troubled him" you're simply saying that styles make fights. There is always a style that gives a fighter more trouble than others. Nothing new or groundbreaking.
Also, in regards to all the losses you mention [except 1st RJJ), they all occured when Hopkins was past 40. Holding the Taylor & Dawson losses against Hopkins is ridiculous. Yeah, an old guy lost vs. a good fighter in his prime. Big whoop.

[Xi_]

I know one thing..... bhop does not own the record of the most mw championship defenses. Carlos Monzon does......dumb ass GGG/Hopkins fans will try to claim otherwise but real boxing fans know the deal.