Hopkins or Toney - who was better?

[baya]

IMO, give me toney over hopkins.

i've never been wowed by a hopkins fight, the boring bastard.

have you people ever seen toney / mccallum or toney / jirov? just those 2 fights alone out do bernards whole career.

[IronDanHamza]

How do you justify this statement? It can be argued that Toney has the better wins...

You justify the statment by knowing than Hopkins has an extremely high ring IQ whilst James Toney's ring IQ is boarderline non existent.

[IronDanHamza]

IMO, give me toney over hopkins.

i've never been wowed by a hopkins fight, the boring bastard.

have you people ever seen toney / mccallum or toney / jirov? just those 2 fights alone out do bernards whole career.

Dominating and stopping Tito Trinidad didn't wow you but getting a draw with McCallum and edging a decision in a war against Jirov does wow you?

[CatchAndShoot]

Hopkins never juiced to get to where he got.

Lmao that's why he didn't want to do advanced testing against Pascal, and he shoved him during the presser, because his emotions got triggered.

[baya]

Dominating and stopping Tito Trinidad didn't wow you but getting a draw with McCallum and edging a decision in a war against Jirov does wow you?

definitely not, stopping a welterweight in a middleweight bout isn't some sort of out of this world type event.

hopkins has never been engaged in an enthralling fight, at least not any that i can remember.

i mean even toney's fight with holyfield .. i've always enjoyed james toney's fight style.

[Nay_Sayer]

Over Evander Holyfield's corpse, yes.

Still doesn't detract from the fact that James went from 160 to HW and got the KO over an ATG there...

[Nay_Sayer]

You justify the statment by knowing than Hopkins has an extremely high ring IQ whilst James Toney's ring IQ is boarderline non existent.

Lol.

Sounds to me like YDKSAB...

[Nay_Sayer]

hopkins has never been engaged in an enthralling fight, at least not any that i can remember.

Check out the Echols rematch. Damn good fight, IMO...

[baya]

Check out the Echols rematch. Damn good fight, IMO...

that one slipped my mind, that was a good scrap.

[Johnwoo8686]

He said he's more talented not that he's better.

And that statment is debatable.

LOL what difference does it make? And better at what? The man said it himself.
Roy Jones was asked who was the best guy he fought in his prime and he immediately said James Toney. You can also find that video on youtube.