List of fighters who moved up

[yngwie]

Lemuiex was fighting Tapia, a 154 pounder coming off a KO loss on Tru TV.

Stevens loses every big fight.

Rosado has never beat a good fighter. To hype him is why people hate Golovkin.

I know Golovkin opposition should be better, but we can't act like if this guys who always put on a show were bums.

[Larry the boss]

Another ******.

Yes, GG can move up 8 pounds. But he's got things he wants to accomplish first.

You must have gone crazy in the 90's when Bernard fought at MW.

He waited 6 years to unify and stayed in the division 4 years after he'd beaten Tito. And that was a man who's 6'1, with a 75" reach, who had to measure each piece of food he ate in order to shrink himself down.

Hopkins mw run was talked down on as well man..not like he was fighting killers there..hell his run at 175 ****s on his stay at 160

[robertzimmerman]

Its not just that G won't move up to fight Ward or Froch. It's that Loeffler, Sanchez, and Golovkin said he would fight anyone from 154-168 for years. Then he flat out refuses to even consider fighting Ward for at least a couple of years. Then Loeffler told Froch that G would fight him at a cw but not at 168 period. Then the biggest draw, the biggest "cash cow" in boxing today will fight him but only at 155 and Golovkin says he will only face him at 160. G is too big to make anything less than 160 for Canelo. But he is too small to move up to face Ward. I hate Canelo's cw bs as much as anyone and am not condoning this at all. But the fact remains if G honestly wanted a big fight he would have already had at least one. Lara has been calling him out for a while now but G won't even mention his name. Canelo is a ppv star because of fighting Trout and Lara. Really tough fights against top opponents but not top money. The dangerous fights. Golovkin has refused to take any top fighter. When did he make an offer, an actual contract to Maravilla? Why did he accept step-aside money from Cotto? Why did he agree to let Canelo fight Khan? Yes, a number of top fighters have refused to face G, but a number of top fighters HAVE been willing to. His "negotiations" with these fighters drag on and Golovkin has some excuse. But a fight with Wade or a with a WW is literally done in one day!

The Ward fight was never really viable if you look at things logically. Yes, GG never really pursued it, but Ward had been inactive and he'd have needed at least 1 tune up before he could have committed to fighting back at 168, which was a weight he hadn't hit for over 2 years. By the time Ward had've been ready, GG would have had too much to lose as he was in line to obtain 3 of the 4 MW belts. Then obviously HBO would have wanted to have let it build. The timing just wasn't right. Neither guy was really in a position to go all out for it, and I say this as a big fan of Ward's. But hopefully it can still happen in the future.


He deserves no criticism for the Canelo saga. All Oscar had to do was to get Canelo to relinquish the belt after Cotto, by stating that he wasn't ready for MW yet, but the opportunity to fight Cotto was too good to turn down. Nobody would have had an issue with that. But what they did was they strung all the fans along. They knew from the outset that GG was the mandatory to the winner, and they knew about the WBC's deadlines for a long time. But after Khan, they then tried to convince people that the deadlines were unreasonable, and that they were going to relinquish the belt to make negotiations easier. Yet instead of doing that, they went and signed to fight Liam Smith at JMW. It was only after that fight was signed that they went on to brief negotiations with K2. And all there is now, is just a verbal agreement that they'll look at taking the fight late next year. The reason the fight isn't happening is nothing to do with 155. If GG had've jumped at 155, (not that he should have done) we still wouldn't be watching it in September. The fight isn't happening because Oscar doesn't want it yet. That's how simple it is.


Why did he accept the step aside money from Cotto?

For the following reasons:

Cotto would never have fought him.

He knew that the winner of Cotto-Canelo had to fight him or give up the belt.

Whilst they were both in camp, he fought Lemieux for the IBF title.

So: he got paid, he obtained another belt, and he was guaranteed to face the winner.


Why did he take step aside money for Khan?

Because Oscar and Canelo gave everyone the impression that they wanted another fight first to feel more comfortable, but they'd be happy to negotiate afterwards.

So GG waited patiently, got paid, and cleared up a mandatory defence.

Yes, he could have enforced them, but at that time he thought he was acting in his best interests. Also, we now know that had he have enforced them, both guys would have dropped the belts and ran.


Regarding Froch, when GG only had 1 belt in the division, he was more open to move up for the right opportunity. But when he obtained another belt and was in line for the lineal, he cooled off from wanting fights outside of MW.


Regarding Martinez, Martinez was never going to fight him. He really struggled in his last few fights.


Regarding Wade, he was a mandatory.


Regarding Brook, yes it's disappointing, but he'd actually signed a contract for Eubank and he'd handed it back it. But after Eubank's Snr's ego went into overdrive, Eddie Hearn offered the exact same contract to Brook. When the fight was made official, it was exactly 9 weeks to the day of the weigh-in. So GG accepted. And he'd have been a fool not to with everything set up. The only reason it only took 2 days, is because Brook is a Matchroom fighter. If he'd turned down the opportunity for Brook, he wouldn't have been able to have fought at all on HBO's long standing date. It would have been nonsensical to walk away from it when he's got the opportunity to gain more popularity in a huge U.K. PPV fight.

[Lester Tutor]

this thread scares me

[robertzimmerman]

Great comment, exactly how most people think

Most people can't appreciate circumstances.

[robertzimmerman]

Brook is a welterweight you coward.

Oh, I didn't realise.

Thanks for letting me know.


On a serious note, yes. But GG didn't actively pursue him did he. He actively pursued Eubank as a keep busy fight at MW. He signed the contract, handed it back in, then trolled Eubank on Twitter by asking him if he'd lost his pen. When Snr couldn't be compromised with, Brook was then offered the fight. When Brook agreed in principal, the offer was then put to GG. To keep his HBO date, it was either fight Brook in a huge fight or cancel everything. So he wisely took Brook. Yes, it's a disappointing fight, but it would have been monumentally ****** to have turned it down.

[robertzimmerman]

Canelo has fought Floyd, Lara, Trout, Cotto and is 7 years younger. Golovkin is fighting Wade and Monroe in his 30s.

If you didn't already know, life is defined by circumstances and opportunities.

Canelo's done great, but the fights were there for him.

Yes, GG's resume is far from great. But it'd look a lot better with names like: Canelo, Jacobs, Eubank and BJS on it. Yet we know that those fights can't be made at this point.

[robertzimmerman]

Golovkin will never move up you idiot, he's not man enough. We both know that. A little coward like you wants to protect him.

Sorry Chief, I didn't realise you had psychic powers and could see into the future.

Why won't he ever move up?

He says he will when he's obtained the WBO.

Not man enough?

How dare that 5'10 MW, with a 70" reach, not move up to SMW at this stage? Disgusting, right?

Is he not allowed to try accomplish his goals like every other fighter in every other division?

Is DeGale a coward for wanting Jack and Sturm before he moves up to LHW?


I'll be sure to bump this thread at a later date.

[CaneloMaidana]

If you didn't already know, life is defined by circumstances and opportunities.

Canelo's done great, but the fights were there for him.

Yes, GG's resume is far from great. But it'd look a lot better with names like: Canelo, Jacobs, Eubank and BJS on it. Yet we know that those fights can't be made at this point.

What did Moorer do when he was ducked? Golovkin hasn't made his opportunities, you act like he's helpless.

[robertzimmerman]

And you're a racist coward.

Ha!

On what grounds?