Did Floyd Mayweather use PED's? (simple answer for an OG member please)

[HandsofIron]

Yup, Mayweather, Pacquiao and Marquez were all on the juice. Next question.

[travestyny]

I'm not talking "random" testing, I'm talking about the routine post fight urine test.

Wada officials are not involved. Nobody pays them to supervise, nor do they have any jurisdiction. So no, Wada is not involved.

The tests were done by USADA! So you better get ready to make a new excuse to answer my questions.

According to records provided by the Nevada Athletic Commisison, each man gave 11 urine and eight blood samples.
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/boxing...182400390.html

All 22 urine samples collected during the Mayweather/Pacquiao testing program were tested by CIR and for EPO.
Indeed, every professional boxer USADA has ever tested has been tested using the CIR methodology.

According to NSAC's own records, all of the urine tests were handled by USADA. Now let's see what you do. Are you going to be a man and admit that you are wrong? I think you should. Then after you do, let's see you try to give an answer for my questions:

A. Why mask with an IV if USADA was paid off?
B. Why would it be necessary to apply for a TUE if USADA was paid off?
C. Why leave a paper trail by applying for a TUE if USADA was paid off?
D. Why would USADA reveal the IV use if USADA was paid off?
E. Why did USADA fail to tip him off about when they would come if they were paid off? Could have turned their head to it altogether, which would be much safer.
F. Why would USADA take a partial sample from before the IV which would make it more difficult to pass if he was dirty if USADA was paid off?
G. Did he also pay off the WADA accredited labs in case aforementioned tests came back positive? Labs that would report any failed test directly to WADA as a part of their agreement to being WADA accredited.
H. Did he pay off WADA too, just in case?
I. How can anyone explain the other 20 drug tests he passed without the IV without speculation, knowing they were subjected to CIR testing and the Athlete Biological Passport.


So he paid them off so that he could cheat....and he paid them off to basically not help him to cheat in any way???? For an astute businessman, seems like a terrible waste of money, no?

[M Bison]

That's making conclusions without sufficient evidence. I'm not ok with that.

Now if we want to have a discussion about how the testing system is broken, or how it can be improved and things like that then yes absolutely those are discussions worth having.

Well I am okay with it in this day and age look at the UFC they're actually busting their big stars boxing is actually more corrupt than MMA!
Boxing has its long illustrious history of match-fixing and so on so it's safer to assume the worst when this sport is so tainted and I certainly wouldn't be one to trust a woman beater and god knows what else he has done.

You won't ever get sufficient evidence because people like USADA are selective with their approach.

[Dosumpthin]

WADA has justified the inclusion of IV infusions on the Prohibited List given the intent of some athletes to manipulate their plasma volume levels in order to mask the use of a prohibited substance and or to distort the values in the Athlete Biological Passport.

But you don't know the significance of this statement because you can't apply it. That takes reading and comprhension. We've been down this road before so I will apply the rules for you:


I'm not going to go into every detail about an athelets bio passport - but I will discuss specifics regarding your response.....

One important aspect of analyzing an abp can determine if drug use is present or if a masking agent was used .....because the values are distorted. This in itself will result in an "adverse analytical finding". With so many designer drugs on the market, this is a very effective way to find cheaters amongst thousands of atheletes.

Now that it has been determined the athlete has intentionally or unintentionally distorted their values:

Either this will be a rule violation with consequences or the athelete will be subject to more frequent testing and also more expensive target testing such as cir testing every sample. (Floyd and manny passed 22 cir test)

In other words using an IV to rehydrate will definitely show on the ABP.

That is why WADA states the ADO must be aware of the iv use in ADVANCE.


Floyd notified (Hauser recanted his most damaging accusation and accepted) the USADA DCO in ADVANCE.












Even Lance Armstrong can't beat ABP....

http://m.bbc.com/sport/cycling/21195249

He will be caught.

[Dosumpthin]

Not quite right. Just to simply rehydrate is NOT a valid reason unless it meets the exceptional criteria. Floyd was mildly dehydrated, and that too is in question, so an IV was not warranted.

You don't know Floyd's medical condition that warranted iv use.

"WADA has clarified that the use of IV infusions to treat mild dehydration or simply accelerate recovery IS NOT an acceptable medical use of IVs in sport."

Still don't know Floyd's medical condition that warranted iv use.

There are laws that ADO must abide by that protect athletes privacy regarding medical information.

As for your silly remark about WADA reversing the approval.

They do not need to review every case. They only need to review when requested due to a verdict that went against the athlete (not every case).

WADA overseas 100 plus ADO signatories that test thousands of athletes. Of course they won't review every tuec decision for every recreational athlete that is participating in a sporting event.

However.

The biggest fight in the history of boxing - Floyd mayweather - world famous boxer
Manny pacquiao - famous politician
both athletes have rumored PED use - pact@rds crying about IV use -
Every media outlet reporting about Thomas Hauser article-
NSAC making public statements -
Class action lawsuits -

Yet you feel WADA is not morally obliged to review such a controversial USADA approved TUE? That's silly.

Secondly, go look at the Russia scandal. Lots of red flags but it took many years to get to the bottom of that one. So its NOT as simple as you are making it be.

??????No one is calling for USADA to be placed on the non compliance list like RUSADA. Goofy kid. Big conspiracy you have there. Lol.

All WADA has to do is REVERSE the decision of USADA TUEC. Floyd would be in violation and would get sued by team Pac. Simple.

Finally, with a cover up, it would be done in a way that it would not be as simple as just reviewing the documentation and they are caught. That is silly talk.

[/QUOTE]

So you admit the tue application (that you never read) and approval (you don't know the reasoning behind the tuec) would be deemed legit by WADA if they reviewed the paperwork. Even with the good doctor ariza signature as the physician as you claimed???? Interesting change of opinion you have now.

Where's the old ADP02? Lol.












TUES are uploaded into the Adams system. WADA already reviewed the tue way before Kevin iole, let alone Hauser, reported it.



But I know you're a ****** Pact@rd so I like telling you to call WADA. lol. Give you a sense of False hope. Lol. Re-live the may2nd failure all over again. Lol.

[ADP02]

But you don't know the significance of this statement because you can't apply it. That takes reading and comprhension. We've been down this road before so I will apply the rules for you:


I'm not going to go into every detail about an athelets bio passport - but I will discuss specifics regarding your response.....

One important aspect of analyzing an abp can determine if drug use is present or if a masking agent was used .....because the values are distorted. This in itself will result in an "adverse analytical finding". With so many designer drugs on the market, this is a very effective way to find cheaters amongst thousands of atheletes.

Now that it has been determined the athlete has intentionally or unintentionally distorted their values:

Either this will be a rule violation with consequences or the athelete will be subject to more frequent testing and also more expensive target testing such as cir testing every sample. (Floyd and manny passed 22 cir test)

In other words using an IV to rehydrate will definitely show on the ABP.

That is why WADA states the ADO must be aware of the iv use in ADVANCE.


Floyd notified (Hauser recanted his most damaging accusation and accepted) the USADA DCO in ADVANCE.












Even Lance Armstrong can't beat ABP....

http://m.bbc.com/sport/cycling/21195249

He will be caught.

Man, where do I start ..... actually, I already did with my previous post but you didn't catch on.

1) Floyd was allowed to delay his testing for about 6 hours. Remember this. Very su****ious if you trace the events that took place.

2) By allowing Floyd to drink up and then IV up to the gills, it actually reduces the sensitivity of the Biological Passports analysis.

3) Its not an exact value that the athlete needs to hit. Its a range. If he falls in that range, he has no problem. If he is off by more, it can still be waived off but just considered su****ious. In other words, they need to be damned sure before saying that they caught someone.

4) This is not the early days where they do not know how to beat the tests and get caught EASILY. They know what they need to do with this test. Floyd had the money to beat this. Got Dr Alex Ariza to talk to Dr Memo Heredia who knows of at least 20 ways to beat PEDs testing.

5) Like I have said in the past, Floyd more than likely was microdosing. AGAIN, the sensitivity of the biological passport has limitations, including this technique.

6) CIR testing: As I stated before, an athlete might stick to small doses because the test isn’t sensitive enough to detect the synthetic testosterone in urine at low concentrations.

7) I have more but you should get the picture by now.



When Lance won those Tour de France and up to the time he retired the first time, there was no passport thingy. So he couldn't have got caught.


He came back then retired again but it was his teammates that put him away. Maybe we need to get to Ellerbe .....






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[Larry the boss]

Of course when GGG came to fame he tried every drug he could find but none were close to enough for him to dance with the Devil God named GGG

[ADP02]

You don't know Floyd's medical condition that warranted iv use.



Still don't know Floyd's medical condition that warranted iv use.

There are laws that ADO must abide by that protect athletes privacy regarding medical information.




WADA overseas 100 plus ADO signatories that test thousands of athletes. Of course they won't review every tuec decision for every recreational athlete that is participating in a sporting event.

However.

The biggest fight in the history of boxing - Floyd mayweather - world famous boxer
Manny pacquiao - famous politician
both athletes have rumored PED use - pact@rds crying about IV use -
Every media outlet reporting about Thomas Hauser article-
NSAC making public statements -
Class action lawsuits -

Yet you feel WADA is not morally obliged to review such a controversial USADA approved TUE? That's silly.





??????No one is calling for USADA to be placed on the non compliance list like RUSADA. Goofy kid. Big conspiracy you have there. Lol.

All WADA has to do is REVERSE the decision of USADA TUEC. Floyd would be in violation and would get sued by team Pac. Simple.

Well, you needed no concrete evidence for Manny when it came to his injury. In fact, a real super doctor stepped up for Manny to back his statements. Where is Floyd's doctor?

Fortunately, we have a lot of information on Floyd.

Floyd's medical condition? According to the prefight form and what he told the NSAC doctor, Floyd was OK .... but what he and his team said to get the IV was that he was dehydrated.

Floyd's examination just before getting the IV? Results came back negative. No dehdyration, normal vital signs
but what he and his team said to get the IV was that he was dehydrated.

Floyd's weight from 30 days up to just before he used the IV was relatively stable. Floyd admitted to making weight EASILY.According to USADA, studies and WADA, all Floyd had to do was drink fluids orally and their website has a specific formula. What to drink per pound lost.

Floyd thanked Dr Alex Ariza on how to "fix" his problem.


Oh, why was he dehydrated? Floyd and team said this:
1) Giving blood 10 days before. According to USADA, this does not make any sense!!!
2) Giving urine ...... this is a joke.
3) Training but this was the day that he weighed in. So like the 2 above, throw this one out too!



So we have several lies from Floyd and his team and even if we believed Floyd was mildy dehydrated, we know he was able to hydrate orally and visually saw him drinking. In other words, he should have been FULLY HYDRATED by the time they gave him the IV.

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WADA - You keep on bringing WADA up but you know that they more than likely didn't even review this and I told you that there would have been some kind of cover up in the documents presented. Meaning, its not as simple as you think.

USADA - You said this was the biggest fight in history yet they told NSAC nothing until after the fight.
More importantly, what do you think USADA actually did to make sure that everything was on the up and up? What kind of an investigation was done? All they did was read Floyd's request, maybe (lol), and quickly approve it.

Look how quickly it was approved for what you called the biggest fight in history:

"on May 19, Mayweather applied for (and, on May 20, was granted) a the****utic use exemption for what he says was an IV infusion of saline and vitamins that was administered on May 1"


Usually they take longer to review and process but not for the biggest fight in history. Oh and look at when they consider retroactive TUEs :
"USADA considers retroactive TUEs only in emergency circumstances, and generally requires 28 days of processing time for a TUE application."








Infusions Case Study
Case:
An athlete that you are treating is competing in an
upcoming event and must adhere to USADA anti-doping
rules. There is some concern that on competition day the
weather will be hot and humid, greatly increasing the
chances of dehydration among the athletes. If there is
a situation where the athlete is dehydrated and comes
to you, as a health professional, and inquires about fluid
replacement by IV for quick rehydration so that he/she
may recover more quickly after the event. As a health
professional, what would be your course of action?

Answer:
Intravenous infusions (IV) and/or injections of more than
50 mL per 6 hour period are prohibited, except for those
legitimately received in the course of hospital admissions,
surgical procedures or clinical investigations. The
literature supports the position that drinking appropriate
fluids may correct mild dehydration after exercise. IV
infusions to aid in recovery are only warranted in severe
cases of dehydration and gastrointestinal upset.

When treating dehydration, if the athlete receives IV with saline
and dextrose solution above 50 mL over 6 hours, the
athlete/physician is required to apply to USADA for an
emergency The****utic Use Exemption (TUE) by providing
all relevant medical documentation and a complete TUE
application form.

[Chuckguy]

Yup, Mayweather, Pacquiao and Marquez were all on the juice. Next question.

Exactly this^^^^^
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[AddiX]

You can see the needle marks where he shot the hgh in some of his weigh in pics.

Of course he took PEDs.