Comments Thread For: Golovkin's Promoter Eyes Andre Ward - If Both Keep Winning

[OnePunch]

Well so far ggg has only taken A fight between then and now and thats Wade, his mando. The Ward fight would be happening now instead of Brook because he didn't get the fight with Canelo. And you can't even say that they didn't know what would happen with Canelo because according to Sanchez they knew he'd vacate. They didn't revisit the situation, they didn't reach out to ROC about Ward and they try to make the fight happen at all. They preferred to chase hesitant fighters while avoiding a challenge

The Wade fight never would have happened, because according to Ward (unless he is lying) he did not know about the Lemieux fight. So it is the Lemieux fight, not the Wade fight, that would have counted as the "one interim fight".

As for Sanchez belief that Canelo was never going to take the fight? Well, thats fine. Alot of people believed that. But it doesnt matter what people "think", you still have to go ahead and let the process play out. And now GGG has the WBC title, which he would not have if he had accepted the Ward offer......

[Mr. Luthor]

Well so far ggg has only taken A fight between then and now and thats Wade, his mando. The Ward fight would be happening now instead of Brook because he didn't get the fight with Canelo. And you can't even say that they didn't know what would happen with Canelo because according to Sanchez they knew he'd vacate. They didn't revisit the situation, they didn't reach out to ROC about Ward and they try to make the fight happen at all. They preferred to chase hesitant fighters while avoiding a challenge

So basically this cat is saying that GGG turned down a Ward fight because he was worried about fighting the mandatory challenger for the IBF belt that he did not have yet.

The Ward offer was in fact before Golovkin got in the ring with Lemieux so the IBF mandatory challenger excuse doesn't hold water. Furthermore, putting Ward on hold for a Canelo fight makes sense but the reality is that the Canelo fight wasn't signed then and still isn't signed now. The hard facts are that Ward actually does have an agreement to fight Top 10 P4P and unified Light Heavtweight Champion Kovalev while GGG is preparing to fight a Welterweight and still has no written agreement to face Canelo.

[OnePunch]

So basically this cat is saying that GGG turned down a Ward fight because he was worried about fighting the mandatory challenger for the IBF belt that he did not have yet.

The Ward offer was in fact before Golovkin got in the ring with Lemieux so the IBF mandatory challenger excuse doesn't hold water. Furthermore, putting Ward on hold for a Canelo fight makes sense but the reality is that the Canelo fight wasn't signed then and still isn't signed now. The hard facts are that Ward actually does have an agreement to fight Top 10 P4P and unified Light Heavtweight Champion Kovalev while GGG is preparing to fight a Welterweight and still has no written agreement to face Canelo.

what I am saying is sadly beyond your comprehension level.

GGG has a career track. It includes unifying 160. He had just signed to fight Lemieux for the IBF title, and was the mando to the Cotto-Canelo winner for the WBC title. Yet you, in your infinite wisdom, believe he should have abandoned all that, to move up and spot 8 pounds to a guy who hasnt made 168 in 3 years, give a 50-50 split to a guy who cant sell out an Elks lodge outside of Oakland, in a fight that does very little revenue? Brilliant. Just brilliant.

You missed your true calling. You should manage fighters. lol

[Mr. Luthor]

sigh, I feel like I lose 100 brain cells every time I engage with you.

Look, this really isnt that hard to understand. K2 has said from day 1 that by the time they got Ward's "offer", they had already committed to the Lemieux fight. So they would have been well aware that Lemieux had a mando due, and that even though GGG-Lemieux could proceed (because it was a unification fight), the winner would have an immediate mando due. There have been multiple threads here about the IBF and their inflexibility when it comes to mandos, so please educate yourself before trying to claim there is some magical way that GGG could have signed for the Ward deal and yet NOT get stripped by the IBF.

Hint: there isnt


and to those that have the mistaken notion that GGG could have fought Lemieux, then did a mando or whatever, here is a quote from Loeffler......


Gennady Golovkin‘s manager Tom Loeffler responded to allegations that they turned down a fight to face Andre Ward. Ward stated that they offered a 50/50 deal at 168 lbs and within 5 minutes team GGG turned down the offer, but Loeffler told the La Times ”it was an offer to fight Ward in “late of 2016” with both fighter’s taking a fight before, ”

Loeffler went on to say ”Should Golovkin defeat Lemieux he would be in line to face the winner of Cotto-Canelo next, a much bigger fight, if Golovkin sells well as his own PPV then taking a fight at 50/50 with Ward right now would be premature considering Golovkin could be a much bigger star in late of 2016. That’s not to say the Golovkin-Ward can’t happen, it’s just something that will have to be revisited after the Cotto-Canelo situation plays out”.



"both fighters taking A fight before"

A=1

A does not equal 2, 3 or 4

That interesting but once again, your speculative THEORY doesn't add up. Correct me if I'm mistaken. Wasn't Golovkin the mandatory for Cotto and Canelo yet neither one of them were stripped for not fighting him. So apparently deals can be made and permission can be given by sanctioning bodies for new Champions to not fight mandatory challengers in their first defenses. No boxing fan truly believes the IBF was going to strip Golovkin for not fighting Tureano Johnson or Dominic Wade if Golovkin agreed to face Ward at 168 first.

You own quotes betray you. Loeffler said facing the winner of Cotto/Canelo would trump facing the IBF mandatory because it is a much bigger fight. Newsflash!!! Facing Ward is a much bigger fight than fighting Johnson or Wade.

Step aside deals get made routinely in boxing.

[Mr. Luthor]

what I am saying is sadly beyond your comprehension level.

GGG has a career track. It includes unifying 160. He had just signed to fight Lemieux for the IBF title, and was the mando to the Cotto-Canelo winner for the WBC title. Yet you, in your infinite wisdom, believe he should have abandoned all that, to move up and spot 8 pounds to a guy who hasnt made 168 in 3 years, give a 50-50 split to a guy who cant sell out an Elks lodge outside of Oakland, in a fight that does very little revenue? Brilliant. Just brilliant.

You missed your true calling. You should manage fighters. lol

Career track!!! Hilarious!!! We all know Golovkin is wiling to abandon that unification mission when it's convenient.

I see you cannot defend the fact that Golovkin wasn't the IBF champion when he turned down the Ward offer so the IBF mandatory excuse is not relevant for a belt he didn't own.

How did that big fight with Cotto or Canelo go?

[OnePunch]

So basically this cat is saying that GGG turned down a Ward fight because he was worried about fighting the mandatory challenger for the IBF belt that he did not have yet.

The Ward offer was in fact before Golovkin got in the ring with Lemieux so the IBF mandatory challenger excuse doesn't hold water. Furthermore, putting Ward on hold for a Canelo fight makes sense but the reality is that the Canelo fight wasn't signed then and still isn't signed now. The hard facts are that Ward actually does have an agreement to fight Top 10 P4P and unified Light Heavtweight Champion Kovalev while GGG is preparing to fight a Welterweight and still has no written agreement to face Canelo.

are you really this ******???

Lemieux had a mando due. The IBF allowed GGG-Lemieux to happen because it was a unification fight (GGG has WBA title)

The winner inherits the mandatory obligation, so the fact that the fight hadnt happened yet has nothing to do with anything. The winner still would have a mando due regardless. And if you think for 1 second that K2 didnt know that they would have a mando due, then you are actually dumber than your posts indicate, which actually would be a remarkable accomplishment.

this is getting too ******ed for me to continue. Think what you like. I tried to educate you a bit, but you obviously prefer to remain ignorant.........

[IMDAZED]

Unify, my ass. GGG wants a big money fight. As he should. But anyone who thinks his primary goal is to collect another trinket from nondescript opposition is silly.

[Mr. Luthor]

are you really this ******???

Lemieux had a mando due. The IBF allowed GGG-Lemieux to happen because it was a unification fight (GGG has WBA title)

The winner inherits the mandatory obligation, so the fact that the fight hadnt happened yet has nothing to do with anything. The winner still would have a mando due regardless. And if you think for 1 second that K2 didnt know that they would have a mando due, then you are actually dumber than your posts indicate, which actually would be a remarkable accomplishment.

this is getting too ******ed for me to continue. Think what you like. I tried to educate you a bit, but you obviously prefer to remain ignorant.........

And Golovkin was the Mandatory for Cotto and Canelo but didn't fight either one yet neither was stripped of their title for not fighting him. Your bs mandatory theory is full of holes. Cotto vs Canelo wasn't a unification fight either. Keep trying though.

[OnePunch]

That interesting but once again, your speculative THEORY doesn't add up. Correct me if I'm mistaken. Wasn't Golovkin the mandatory for Cotto and Canelo yet neither one of them were stripped for not fighting him. So apparently deals can be made and permission can be given by sanctioning bodies for new Champions to not fight mandatory challengers in their first defenses. No boxing fan truly believes the IBF was going to strip Golovkin for not fighting Tureano Johnson or Dominic Wade if Golovkin agreed to face Ward at 168 first.

You own quotes betray you. Loeffler said facing the winner of Cotto/Canelo would trump facing the IBF mandatory because it is a much bigger fight. Newsflash!!! Facing Ward is a much bigger fight than fighting Johnson or Wade.

Step aside deals get made routinely in boxing.

GGG-Cotto/Canelo fight would have been a unification fight dummy, which the IBF allows to trump a mando.

my god you are ******. The IBF stripped Fury and cut themselves out of Fury-Klitschko 2 over a mando, but they wont strip GGG??? lol okaaaayyyyy

[OnePunch]

And Golovkin was the Mandatory for Cotto and Canelo but didn't fight either one yet neither was stripped of their title for not fighting him. Your bs mandatory theory is full of holes. Cotto vs Canelo wasn't a unification fight either. Keep trying though.

you do realize that different organizations enforce their mandatory obligations differently, dont you?

you do realize that the IBF and the WBC are 2 completely seperate, different organizations, with different rules, and different enforcement, dont you?

because your posts make it sound as though you dont know the difference between the 2, or how each organization operates.

But hey, knowing and understanding those differences would actually require THOUGHT, which seems challenging for you........