"Boxing Insurance" in NY is the UFC's fault.

[Motorcity Cobra]

It was a measure put into the bill that legalized MMA in NY. It was another move by the Zuffa to shut out competition and attempt to monopolize MMA. Smaller MMA outfits don't have the money to compete. It had nothing to do with boxing or Magomed Abdusalamov. I can't wait for Rep Mullin to introduce legislation to extend the Ali Act to MMA.

That’s not all. The increase in medical insurance also will keep smaller MMA promotional companies out of New York. Jimmy Burchfield Jr., vice-president of CES (Classic Entertainment & Sports) MMA, based in Rhode Island, had to abandon plans to hold an event in New York.

“We were in serious discussions to bring the first show to New York before the UFC or Bellator,” Burchfield said. “But that $50,000 is a huge line item. It takes us out of the ballpark. You’re probably not going to see many companies our size risk doing a show there.”

Right now a bill once viewed as a means to increase combat business in the state actually will diminish it.

http://nypost.com/2016/05/17/proposed-mma-clause-would-end-boxing-in-ny-as-we-know-it/

[Eff Pandas]

I tend to believe this was a byproduct of the Magomed fight than anything MMA related. It just happened to get tacked onto the MMA legalization like politicians tend to do with bills. I don't think any promoter (boxing or MMA) really wants to deal with the amount of money they will need to put on ice over this insurance issue & I suspect it'll get reduced to a sweeter spot for the state + the promoters to keep business flowing.

I mean obviously NY doesn't wanna weed out the businesses this bill was trying to bring to their state. Or one would think there isn't some MMA elite leagues (UFC & Bellator) nod & wink thing going on here to kill boxing & lesser MMA leagues as boxing brings in a lot of business to NY too & is likely to be as if not more active in the state. Why would you wanna kill that money? Doesn't add up to me & I predict this whole thing gets altered before it is set in stone which I think isn't for another month or three.

[Motorcity Cobra]

I tend to believe this was a byproduct of the Magomed fight than anything MMA related. It just happened to get tacked onto the MMA legalization like politicians tend to do with bills. I don't think any promoter (boxing or MMA) really wants to deal with the amount of money they will need to put on ice over this insurance issue & I suspect it'll get reduced to a sweeter spot for the state + the promoters to keep business flowing.

I mean obviously NY doesn't wanna weed out the businesses this bill was trying to bring to their state. Or one would think there isn't some MMA elite leagues (UFC & Bellator) nod & wink thing going on here to kill boxing & lesser MMA leagues as boxing brings in a lot of business to NY too & is likely to be as if not more active in the state. Why would you wanna kill that money? Doesn't add up to me & I predict this whole thing gets altered before it is set in stone which I think isn't for another month or three.

No. It was a last minute ********* to the MMA bill. The NY boxing commissioner was removed/demoted and he resigned over this.

NY Gov. kept MMA out of NY for years based on false information. Zuffa put up the money to lobby legislators to get the bill passed and they weren't about to allow smaller promoters to profit off of their hard work. The NY market is essentially closed to all MMA promoters except UFC and maybe Bellator. Two to Three UFC cards in New York could bring in more money than 100 small cards in NY. And with the former insurance requirements I highly doubt small promoters would be able to put on 100 cards a year.

When Rep Mullins introduces the Ali Act for MMA that'll put it on fair standing with boxing. And we'll see if UFC is a great promoter or if their only great because they aren't held to high standards like boxing promoters.

[Larry the boss]

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[R_Walken]

Promoters should have to insure the fighters so that they're covered

[Eff Pandas]

No. It was a last minute ********* to the MMA bill.

I don't see how that disproves this has nothing to do with the Magomed situation. Isn't the state still being sued over that situation? I'm positive that situation is relevant to this extra insurance in some sort of way.

NY Gov. kept MMA out of NY for years based on false information. Zuffa put up the money to lobby legislators to get the bill passed and they weren't about to allow smaller promoters to profit off of their hard work. The NY market is essentially closed to all MMA promoters except UFC and maybe Bellator. Two to Three UFC cards in New York could bring in more money than 100 small cards in NY. And with the former insurance requirements I highly doubt small promoters would be able to put on 100 cards a year.

I don't think it makes much sense to f#ck over MMA for years only to f#ck over boxing now that MMA isn't being f#cked over. Granted I don't put it past government to do so I just don't think its the most likely outcome here.

I think people in government got a very simplistic mindset about combat sports & know very little about the economics of the business & this was some well intentioned idea that didn't get all angles considered. They have now been alerted there is an issue that will drive away business And it'll be corrected before it all gets set in stone like I & others have been saying since the start.

When Rep Mullins introduces the Ali Act for MMA that'll put it on fair standing with boxing. And we'll see if UFC is a great promoter or if their only great because they aren't held to high standards like boxing promoters.

The Ali Act for MMA isn't going anywhere. Count on that. That Rep is bought & paid for by the 4 or 5 ex-UFC fighters/idiots doing the class action lawsuit that was filed with twitter quotes as evidence or just loyal to them. That won't get anywhere & if it does it'll get voted down with the quickness.

[Motorcity Cobra]

I don't see how that disproves this has nothing to do with the Magomed situation. Isn't the state still being sued over that situation? I'm positive that situation is relevant to this extra insurance in some sort of way.

The Magomed situation happened in 2013 and there was no movement in NY to change the insurance since then. This policy was lobbied for by the UFC and inserted at the last minute. If it had anything to do with Magomed it would've been a central part of the discussion at the beginning of the legislation and not backdoored in at the last minute.

I don't think it makes much sense to f#ck over MMA for years only to f#ck over boxing now that MMA isn't being f#cked over. Granted I don't put it past government to do so I just don't think its the most likely outcome here.



I think people in government got a very simplistic mindset about combat sports & know very little about the economics of the business & this was some well intentioned idea that didn't get all angles considered. They have now been alerted there is an issue that will drive away business And it'll be corrected before it all gets set in stone like I & others have been saying since the start.



The Ali Act for MMA isn't going anywhere. Count on that. That Rep is bought & paid for by the 4 or 5 ex-UFC fighters/idiots doing the class action lawsuit that was filed with twitter quotes as evidence or just loyal to them. That won't get anywhere & if it does it'll get voted down with the quickness.

Boxers and promoters have made more money since the Ali Act. Five of the top ten highest grossing boxing matches have come after the Ali Act was enacted.

The Ali Act protects the fighters. While Zuffa was union busting in their casino business and UFC, the fighters had to go to the government for worker protection. I'll give you an example. UFC breaks numerous labor laws by classifying their fighters as contractors but treating them as employees. This is a serious labor law violation that the IRS has started cracking down on because of lost revenue. The Reebok deal was a violation. You can't mandate contractors to wear uniforms. If you hire me to cut your grass you can't force me to wear what you want me to wear. Trust me, this is an area I have personal experience in and currently involved in a class action suit. And had to file IRS SS-8 papers to clawback thousands in taxes I paid that should've been paid by the employee. These laws are put in place for workers protections. If a company is union busting the workers have no choice but to turn to the laws on the books for relief.

Employee misclassification is the practice of labeling workers as independent contractors, rather than employees. The practice allows employers to avoid paying unemployment and other taxes on workers, and from covering them on workers compensation and unemployment insurance.

The practice reduces labor costs for the employer but creates an unlevel playing field when businesses are involved in competitive bidding on projects. Sometimes referred to as the "underground economy," employee misclassification also has negative consequences for state and federal governments, which are being shorted millions of dollars in tax revenue. Workers who are misclassified as independent contractors work without the legal protections typically afforded to employees, such as wage and hour laws, workers compensation and unemployment benefits.

http://www.ncsl.org/research/labor-a...resources.aspx

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[Eff Pandas]

The Magomed situation happened in 2013 and there was no movement in NY to change the insurance since then. This policy was lobbied for by the UFC and inserted at the last minute. If it had anything to do with Magomed it would've been a central part of the discussion at the beginning of the legislation and not backdoored in at the last minute.

Doesn't matter the timeline. Plus 3 years in the political world is nothing. They move at snails pace on most everything so 3 years is quick for them

And where are you seeing that the UFC lobbied to pay more money to put on fights in NY? Thats bad business & the UFC isn't known as a company thats throwing out money in particular to keep out a sport (boxing) that it doesn't see as much of a threat to their business.

Boxers and promoters have made more money since the Ali Act. Five of the top ten highest grossing boxing matches have come after the Ali Act was enacted.

I don't think that has anything to do with the Ali Act. In fact I'd call the Ali Act a limp **** of a bill that does little to prevent the corruption or help fighters. In fact I think I've seen more big name fighters on the sidelines since the Ali Act then at any point previous cuz the most prolific change the Ali Act might have done is getting promoters better lawyers to create more ironclad contracts.

The Reebok deal was a violation. You can't mandate contractors to wear uniforms. If you hire me to cut your grass you can't force me to wear what you want me to wear. Trust me, this is an area I have personal experience in and currently involved in a class action suit. And had to file IRS SS-8 papers to clawback thousands in taxes I paid that should've been paid by the employee. These laws are put in place for workers protections. If a company is union busting the workers have no choice but to turn to the laws on the books for relief.

I am not at all suggesting the UFC isn't doing some f#cked up things cuz they clearly are. The Reebok situation you bring up might be their biggest error or certainly among them. But an Ali Act for MMA isn't going to happen cuz the UFC is too powerful & the guys trying to put this Ali Act for MMA together are f#cking morons.

[animelive]

Does this mean no more fights in NY for Jacobs? Is he going to lose his 3 thousand hardcore fans?