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  • Motorcity Cobra
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    #21
    [QUOTE=Bipolar Hero;16865662]Nice cover up.

    You didn't know what a one two is in boxing and you want to talk about skill sets.

    And another lurker who doesn't have the answer to the question.

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    • LacedUp
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      #22
      Originally posted by 1hourRun
      Thats an attribute not a skill. I already answered your question Kell Brook is a better counter puncher moving backwards.
      Counter punching in general.

      His check left hook is pretty good

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        #23
        Originally posted by 1hourRun
        Thats an attribute not a skill. I already answered your question Kell Brook is a better counter puncher moving backwards.
        I saw that you answered. It's a reach but it's something. But that's more due to their style of fighting.

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          #24
          Originally posted by LacedUp
          Technically Brook has the advantage in many departments.

          His jab is a ramrod. Incredibly sharp and straight, lands at a high % and he's quick to react to counter punches. He can catch-and-counter as well as any Kronk gym fighter could. He's got a solid defense, takes way less punches than GGG.

          He's well planted on his feet, always in position to throw shots with his full bodyweight, but so is Golovkin. He doesn't throw punches from the odd angles GGG does, and hasn't faced anyone like that - Purely on a skill level. So it'll be interesting to see how his defense holds up to that.

          It would have been good if he had faced a Marcos Maidana before hand. Him and GGG have the same tendencies to throw these odd punches which are very effective for them. The counter to that is having an excellent straight jab, which we saw Mayweather use particularly in the second fight and late in the first fight to minimize the odd style of Maidana.

          I'm not sure this will work on GGG.

          Brook also slips and slides well, for some reason he doesn't get credit for that on this forum. But his reactions are very good. Not quite Mayweather obviously, but I would say one of the best from his weight up.

          He does have a good punch arsenal. There's pretty much no punch Brook doesn't throw extremely well. We've seen him knock people out with Jabs, right hands, left hooks and uppercuts.

          He's not a great combination puncher, but neither is GGG imo. But in each of their weightclasses neither have had to be.

          So overall what I think he does better than GGG:

          - Jab
          - Straight punches
          - Head movement
          - Counter punching
          - Defense
          I think the Lemieux fight showed GGG has a very good jab which was underrated due his fighting style. That's also true for counter-punching. I can't really judge Brook on his defense because of his resume. The one time he fought a top welterweight his defense consisted of hugging. But I'll save this post and look for it during the fight.

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            #25
            Nothing, he is going to get Knocked out. I like Golovkin but I dont really understand this fight. Maybe they made it to keep him active and they thought the eubank fight was gonna come off then it didnt and Brook was like **** it Ill fight him. I still dont get this other than a money grab in lieu of no other named MW having any balls what so ever. I dont get it but **** it Ill stream it on my pc for free.

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            • LacedUp
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              #26
              Originally posted by Motorcity Cobra
              I think the Lemieux fight showed GGG has a very good jab which was underrated due his fighting style. That's also true for counter-punching. I can't really judge Brook on his defense because of his resume. The one time he fought a top welterweight his defense consisted of hugging. But I'll save this post and look for it during the fight.
              Yes I'm not saying just because Brook has a good jab, GGG doesn't. Brook's has been on display on more occassions than GGGs. It is also way more prominent to his game, and just straighter and better in general.

              It's not true for counter-punching. Brook is clearly a better counter puncher than Golovkin.

              Well, Brook's best win is better than GGGs. So that's quite an interesting statement, plus his defensive skills were on display multiple times. He slipped and slided everything Porter came with - If they weren't clinching due to Porter's bull rushing.

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                #27
                Originally posted by LacedUp
                Technically Brook has the advantage in many departments.

                His jab is a ramrod. Incredibly sharp and straight, lands at a high % and he's quick to react to counter punches. He can catch-and-counter as well as any Kronk gym fighter could. He's got a solid defense, takes way less punches than GGG.

                He's well planted on his feet, always in position to throw shots with his full bodyweight, but so is Golovkin. He doesn't throw punches from the odd angles GGG does, and hasn't faced anyone like that - Purely on a skill level. So it'll be interesting to see how his defense holds up to that.

                It would have been good if he had faced a Marcos Maidana before hand. Him and GGG have the same tendencies to throw these odd punches which are very effective for them. The counter to that is having an excellent straight jab, which we saw Mayweather use particularly in the second fight and late in the first fight to minimize the odd style of Maidana.

                I'm not sure this will work on GGG.

                Brook also slips and slides well, for some reason he doesn't get credit for that on this forum. But his reactions are very good. Not quite Mayweather obviously, but I would say one of the best from his weight up.

                He does have a good punch arsenal. There's pretty much no punch Brook doesn't throw extremely well. We've seen him knock people out with Jabs, right hands, left hooks and uppercuts.

                He's not a great combination puncher, but neither is GGG imo. But in each of their weightclasses neither have had to be.

                So overall what I think he does better than GGG:

                - Jab
                - Straight punches
                - Head movement
                - Counter punching
                - Defense
                That's a very good analysis. The only thing I'd have issue with is the jab. GGG has an excellent, powerful jab and I'd argue it's superior to brook's.

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                  #28
                  Originally posted by Motorcity Cobra
                  What does Brook do better at Welterweight than GGG does at Middleweight that'll carry up to the Middleweight division? Anything that can convince me this will be competitive.
                  He doesn't do anything better. GGG is a complete fighter.

                  But he does do many things well, has few flaws, and is in great condition and not a smaller man when filled out.

                  Brook has an educated jab, solid power in both hands, an quick and strong left hand, very high ring IQ, is a solid counter puncher, and has fundamentally sound defense. He is rarely off balance similar to GGG.

                  I expect GGG to win because he is the superior fighter, and a special fighter. A complete fighter in every sense of the word. But I also expect Brook to test him.

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                    #29
                    Originally posted by Motorcity Cobra
                    I saw that you answered. It's a reach but it's something. But that's more due to their style of fighting.
                    Obviously hes better at it because he puts it to practice.

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                      #30
                      Originally posted by LoadedWraps
                      He doesn't do anything better. GGG is a complete fighter.

                      But he does do many things well, has few flaws, and is in great condition and not a smaller man when filled out.

                      Brook has an educated jab, solid power in both hands, an quick and strong left hand, very high ring IQ, is a solid counter puncher, and has fundamentally sound defense. He is rarely off balance similar to GGG.

                      I expect GGG to win because he is the superior fighter, and a special fighter. A complete fighter in every sense of the word. But I also expect Brook to test him.
                      How often is Golovkin off balance aside from his opponent running into him which he quickly recovers from. I sometimes feel like I defend Golovkin too much because as ive said I aint in love with any of these mfers but kell Brook is going to get the sheit beat out of him. This will sound crazy but Id pick Golovkin to beat Ward by a mile over Kovalev beating Ward. I think Kovalev has the talent to beat Ward but its a toss up, Golovkin beats the ****in **** out of Ward and it aint close. Golovkin is the best tactician in the game, the problem is most of the mfers who watch boxing see him knocking mfers out and think thats all he has, that and his skin tone.

                      Id say enjoy him while he is here, i said the same about Roy and i said the same about Floyd when he was pretty boy because he was a bad mfer then and i dont think i have to expound on that to the mfers that know what Im talking about..

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