Comments Thread For: Golovkin: Kell Brook Much Bigger, Much Stronger Than Amir Khan

[aboutfkntime]

3 years ago - Before Canelo was even a middleweight. This time they were supposed to fight for the middleweight title.

And because Canelo clearly didn't even want to fight him at 155. I know he said a year ago that Canelo could come to 155, and GGG said he's the 160 champion which is right. Canelo dumped the belt to drop to 154, a weight he hasn't made for 3 years in order not to fight GGG.

Do you have proof that Canelo offered GGG a fight at 155? An actual offer that GGG rejected?

If you can prove a statement from Loeffler that accepts that GBP or Canelo made an offer for GGG to fight Canelo at 155, then I'll retract. If not, Canelo is a straight up biatch who said in the ring he was from mexico and they'd fight anyone and he'd fight GGG there and then.

Only to drop the belt a week later. Pathetic.

hold on.....




1) Canelo dropped the middleweight belt, and confirmed he is a JMW.....

2) Loeffler said this just over a year ago.....

Loeffler said that Golovkin would have no problem fighting at a catchweight against Alvarez, who fought Lara in a 155-pound bout.

“We’ve always said that if there is a compelling fight, Gennady would move up or down, we’ve talked about moving up to 168 for Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. because that would be a pay-per-view fight and if it’s Canelo, then I’m sure that we could work out a catchweight if he wanted to work out a catchweight and if it’s in his best interest. So that would certainly be a pay-per-view fight,” said Loeffler.

“There wouldn’t be any issues for us to come down to fight Canelo. There would still be a title on the line for Gennady because he would be fighting under 160, so he would be able to defend the titles at 156 or whatever you have the weight be. But Gennady would be willing to come down in weight to fight Canelo. I wouldn’t say it would be at 154 but certainly, given that Canelo fought his last fight at 155, then you could say that Gennady would certainly be willing to come down in weight to make the Canelo fight.”




Q: so, why did they b1tch-out on the weight just over a year later ?

A: because fighting Canelo at 155 is a very dangerous fight, and Team Bull**** wanted EVERY possible advantage..... they assumed that Canelo would crack under the public pressure and the deadline from the WBC.




And in this video, GGG admits that he refused to budge on the weight.....




2:35





1) Canelo stated that he will fight at 155

2) Loeffler acknowledged that, and promised they would agree to a CW

3) When it came time to sign, GGG refused to budge on the weight




So, how could you possibly blame Canelo ?

[LacedUp]

hold on.....




1) Canelo dropped the middleweight belt, and confirmed he is a JMW.....

2) Loeffler said this just over a year ago.....

Loeffler said that Golovkin would have no problem fighting at a catchweight against Alvarez, who fought Lara in a 155-pound bout.

“We’ve always said that if there is a compelling fight, Gennady would move up or down, we’ve talked about moving up to 168 for Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. because that would be a pay-per-view fight and if it’s Canelo, then I’m sure that we could work out a catchweight if he wanted to work out a catchweight and if it’s in his best interest. So that would certainly be a pay-per-view fight,” said Loeffler.

“There wouldn’t be any issues for us to come down to fight Canelo. There would still be a title on the line for Gennady because he would be fighting under 160, so he would be able to defend the titles at 156 or whatever you have the weight be. But Gennady would be willing to come down in weight to fight Canelo. I wouldn’t say it would be at 154 but certainly, given that Canelo fought his last fight at 155, then you could say that Gennady would certainly be willing to come down in weight to make the Canelo fight.”




Q: so, why did they b1tch-out on the weight just over a year later ?

A: because fighting Canelo at 155 is a very dangerous fight, and Team Bull**** wanted EVERY possible advantage..... they assumed that Canelo would crack under the public pressure and the deadline from the WBC.




And in this video, GGG admits that he refused to budge on the weight.....




2:35





1) Canelo stated that he will fight at 155

2) Loeffler acknowledged that, and promised they would agree to a CW

3) When it came time to sign, GGG refused to budge on the weight




So, how could you possibly blame Canelo ?

Ok so basically you have quoted public statements. wupti do.

Ward also said he'd fight Klitschko, does that mean Klitschko ducked him?

I asked you a very simple question, when has Canelo tried to make the fight? Not talked about it, but actually provided GGG with an offer?

Actions speak louder than words. When Canelo dropped the belt, they said it would make it easier for them to fight. Then Loeffler admitted he hadn't heard from GBP at all.

When Oscar was asked about the whole thing he said they'd focus on the trial. The trial was so important and long-drawn that they managed to close it AND find another opponent than GGG just one weekend after GGGs date on HBO, before GGG even announced anything. Loeffler continuously stated they waited and waited.. and nothing.

Of course, Canelo is so frightened of GGG that he's going down to a weight it was physically impossible for him to make for the past 3 years, let alone now. But nevermind that of course. GGG practically forced Canelo down to 154!

There wasn't anything to sign That's an absolute lie.

And you know what wasn't mentioned in the whole Oscar interview as to why the fight didn't happen?

You guessed it. Weight.

http://ucnlive.com/de-la-hoya-promis...s-will-resume/

Canelo on May 18th:

“After much consideration, today, I instructed my team at Golden Boy Promotions to continue negotiating a fight with Gennady ‘GGG’ Golovkin and to finalize a deal as quickly as possible. I also informed the WBC that I will vacate its title. For the entirety of my career, I have taken the fights that no one wanted because I fear no man. Never has that been more true than today. I will fight ‘GGG,’ and I will beat ‘GGG’ but I will not be forced into the ring by artificial deadlines. I am hopeful that by putting aside this ticking clock, the two teams can now negotiate this fight, and ‘GGG’ and I can get in the ring as soon as possible and give the fans the fight they want to see.”

Canelo on June 24th:

"I'm going to fight Liam Smith"

[Vinnykin]

A lot of people are making a big issue about the weight but I think there will only be a few pounds in it on fight night.

Brook is only giving up 1 inch height and reach so not too much of a disadvantage there. I seen 5 inch reach in another article but I'm calling BS there.

Brook is a weight drained WW and GGG is not a big MW. He weighed 156.9 lb's on the morning of his last fight before breakfast....

IBF check weigh done 156.9lbs - breakfast time and getting in the zone to give you a performance! #andstill #allofthelights

— Kell Brook (@SpecialKBrook) 26 March 2016

I believe with a slight alteration in training he will be cutting DOWN to 160 and rehydrating to the same, if not more than GGG does.

The difference in weight - If there is any - will be offset by home advantage for Brook. It will come down to skill and tactics in this fight. I believe power will be the same and Brook will be the toughest opponent to date for GGG

[MC Hammer]

They have the right to not sign, true, but I dont think they have the"right" (or at least be in the right) for saying they would sign and then refusing to. Its deception and a blatant lie from both Canelo and Eubank. Since we are talking about numerous fighters, you cant say they "...only keeps one name on the table." Golovkin is trying to stay active. Waiting for a fighter to grow a set is not staying active. And if he has to wait after being lied to by Canelo and Eubank, and being straight avoided by Jacobs, they are essentially, dictating his career. Its like this. If you're a pro football player, and no pro teams sign you, they dictate your career, or lack thereof.

The bottom line is this. If Canelo had honored his word, or if Eubank had honored his word, or if Jacobs had the drive to want to be a real champ and not just carrry a junior version of his belt, we wouldn't be talking about how much of a mismatch this is. Wed be talking about how bad a mismatch GGG vs Canelo or Eubank or Jacobs would be

He didn't negotiate with Eubanks while negotiating with Canelo, He didn't negotiate with anyone else while negotiating with Eubanks, even though Gilberto was on the table.

I can see where you're coming from with the football analogy, but it breaks down at the point of no team signing or no one wanting to fight him. Its only two guys who don't. 168 is wide open, but he went the WW route. And as far as Canelo/Eubanks going back on word, Canelo can't sign without Oscar, Eubanks is more than likely a case of not wanting it. Either way, no excuse for a WW

[SterlingStained]

Hence why the changed the rules and created a junior middleweight division for they saw the error and fallacies of the original rules of boxing.

smdh.....

no you complete and utter fookin ignorant ******.

that's not why they changed weigh in day schedules and created junior and super divisions.

[PACnPBFsuck]

Can someone tell me what weight they're fighting at.

[aboutfkntime]

Ok so basically you have quoted public statements. wupti do.

Ward also said he'd fight Klitschko, does that mean Klitschko ducked him?

I asked you a very simple question, when has Canelo tried to make the fight? Not talked about it, but actually provided GGG with an offer?

Actions speak louder than words. When Canelo dropped the belt, they said it would make it easier for them to fight. Then Loeffler admitted he hadn't heard from GBP at all.

When Oscar was asked about the whole thing he said they'd focus on the trial. The trial was so important and long-drawn that they managed to close it AND find another opponent than GGG just one weekend after GGGs date on HBO, before GGG even announced anything. Loeffler continuously stated they waited and waited.. and nothing.

Of course, Canelo is so frightened of GGG that he's going down to a weight it was physically impossible for him to make for the past 3 years, let alone now. But nevermind that of course. GGG practically forced Canelo down to 154!

There wasn't anything to sign That's an absolute lie.

And you know what wasn't mentioned in the whole Oscar interview as to why the fight didn't happen?

You guessed it. Weight.

http://ucnlive.com/de-la-hoya-promis...s-will-resume/

Canelo on May 18th:

“After much consideration, today, I instructed my team at Golden Boy Promotions to continue negotiating a fight with Gennady ‘GGG’ Golovkin and to finalize a deal as quickly as possible. I also informed the WBC that I will vacate its title. For the entirety of my career, I have taken the fights that no one wanted because I fear no man. Never has that been more true than today. I will fight ‘GGG,’ and I will beat ‘GGG’ but I will not be forced into the ring by artificial deadlines. I am hopeful that by putting aside this ticking clock, the two teams can now negotiate this fight, and ‘GGG’ and I can get in the ring as soon as possible and give the fans the fight they want to see.”

Canelo on June 24th:

"I'm going to fight Liam Smith"

You are being childishly ridiculous, and I have provided you with plenty of compelling proof.

The two teams have entered into negotiation on more than 1 occasion..... so, what exactly is it you think they do, during negotiation? LMAO

They entered into a negotiation, so your "where is the offer" question, is mindless/pointless.

Again, what do you think happens during a negotiation?

What word don't you understand about this.....

" I will fight you at 155 tomorrow " ?

How hard is it for Loeffler to pick up the phone and say "ok", especially considering the fact that they said this.....


Loeffler said that Golovkin would have no problem fighting at a catchweight against Alvarez, who fought Lara in a 155-pound bout.

“We’ve always said that if there is a compelling fight, Gennady would move up or down, we’ve talked about moving up to 168 for Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. because that would be a pay-per-view fight and if it’s Canelo, then I’m sure that we could work out a catchweight if he wanted to work out a catchweight and if it’s in his best interest. So that would certainly be a pay-per-view fight,” said Loeffler.

“There wouldn’t be any issues for us to come down to fight Canelo. There would still be a title on the line for Gennady because he would be fighting under 160, so he would be able to defend the titles at 156 or whatever you have the weight be. But Gennady would be willing to come down in weight to fight Canelo. I wouldn’t say it would be at 154 but certainly, given that Canelo fought his last fight at 155, then you could say that Gennady would certainly be willing to come down in weight to make the Canelo fight.”


FACT: Canelo wanted 155

FACT: Team Bull**** said Gennady would certainly be willing to come down in weight

FACT: Golovkin refused to budge on the weight, as proven below.....


2:35



Canelo did not lie to you, Golovkin did...... so it is funny as fk that you somehow blame the other guy

[LacedUp]

You are being childishly ridiculous, and I have provided you with plenty of compelling proof.

The two teams have entered into negotiation on more than 1 occasion..... so, what exactly is it you think they do, during negotiation? LMAO

They entered into a negotiation, so your "where is the offer" question, is mindless/pointless.

Again, what do you think happens during a negotiation?

What word don't you understand about this.....

" I will fight you at 155 tomorrow " ?

How hard is it for Loeffler to pick up the phone and say "ok", especially considering the fact that they said this.....


Loeffler said that Golovkin would have no problem fighting at a catchweight against Alvarez, who fought Lara in a 155-pound bout.

“We’ve always said that if there is a compelling fight, Gennady would move up or down, we’ve talked about moving up to 168 for Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. because that would be a pay-per-view fight and if it’s Canelo, then I’m sure that we could work out a catchweight if he wanted to work out a catchweight and if it’s in his best interest. So that would certainly be a pay-per-view fight,” said Loeffler.

“There wouldn’t be any issues for us to come down to fight Canelo. There would still be a title on the line for Gennady because he would be fighting under 160, so he would be able to defend the titles at 156 or whatever you have the weight be. But Gennady would be willing to come down in weight to fight Canelo. I wouldn’t say it would be at 154 but certainly, given that Canelo fought his last fight at 155, then you could say that Gennady would certainly be willing to come down in weight to make the Canelo fight.”


FACT: Canelo wanted 155

FACT: Team Bull**** said Gennady would certainly be willing to come down in weight

FACT: Golovkin refused to budge on the weight, as proven below.....


2:35



Canelo did not lie to you, Golovkin did...... so it is funny as fk that you somehow blame the other guy

What the hell does that prove? He says why he should fight at 155 when he's 160 champion? Which is true. He's laughing off the 155 canelo weight. Still, no offer was made. Even if GGG said yes to 155, Canelo would run.

Canelo gave his belt to GGG like a straight up street hoe. GGG said jump and Canelo asked "how high mista triple g?"

You have proven absolutely nothing. All you have done is provide some public quotes. Means absolute ****. Find me one quote where Oscar or Loeffler said: "We entered negotiations but couldn't agree on weight".

There is none.

Fk year I'm blaming the guy who gave up his belt and ran to a division he hadn't been able to make in 3 years.

You obviously have insecurities about GGG.

That's ok. I'm here for you. I love you. I love you like my biatch.

Come sit on my lap.

[aboutfkntime]

What the hell does that prove? He says why he should fight at 155 when he's 160 champion? Which is true. He's laughing off the 155 canelo weight. Still, no offer was made. Even if GGG said yes to 155, Canelo would run.

Canelo gave his belt to GGG like a straight up street hoe. GGG said jump and Canelo asked "how high mista triple g?"

You have proven absolutely nothing. All you have done is provide some public quotes. Means absolute ****. Find me one quote where Oscar or Loeffler said: "We entered negotiations but couldn't agree on weight".

There is none.

Fk year I'm blaming the guy who gave up his belt and ran to a division he hadn't been able to make in 3 years.

You obviously have insecurities about GGG.

That's ok. I'm here for you. I love you. I love you like my biatch.

Come sit on my lap.

dude, you are just a love-struck fanboy, so I won't be taking your "opinion" on anything.....

The excuse you gave to justify why Golovkin did not back up his words with action, is childishly weak..... "if GGG said yes to 155, Canelo would run"

How the fk would you know ? LMAO

That is about as dumb as you trying to tell me Golovkin is a genuine great, and is a better fighter than Canelo..... despite the fact that he only beat Martin Murray.

The fact is, your guy ran around for FOUR YEARS saying that he can beat "anyone from 154-168"..... and he promised to fight Canelo at catchweight....

..... but then, he b1tched out and fought a welter instead LMAO

REAL fighters have names on their resume, manufactured fighters have excuses on their resume.

[Box-Office]

No that's not the same.

You specifically said "Brook doesn't deserve Khan because he hasn't made the same money". I specfically remember this, because I asked you if that meant Khan didn't deserve a Guerrero fight seeing as Guerrero made more than Khan had ever done, or Danny Garcia or Andre Berto. To that you didn't have a response.

Damn, I can't believe I have to have a conversation with someone who thinks ducking someone actually leaves some kind of credibility. But then again, it is a Khan fan we're discussing with here. But let me tell you this: You can't blame GGG for not having fought Canelo, or Cotto, or Martinez or BJS or Jacobs or Eubank or any of these middleweights because they didn't want it.

Why do I need to compare Canelo and GGG? GGG is known all over the world, he is an international fighter who's fights are broadcasted in 250 different countries. Canelo is a Mexican/American attraction and is far from the biggest draw in boxing, that's pure BS.

Yes GGG is traveling to Brook's backyard because hoes like Canelo are too much of a ***** to fight him. So obviously he's being held back. Still selling out MSG, still doing 1.5 million viewers.

Amir Khan said he'd fight him in 2013, 2014, 2015 and then 2016: "Kell Brook? that fight doesn't interest me. I'd probably make more money fighting Brook than anyone else"

Priced himself out doe

I didn't say that, take a break from your mental gymnastics class, the conversation revolved around how you said it will be Khan's biggest payday too (& not only Kell) and I responded Amir is already well off plus he is (or was) receiving this Canelo payday, where as Kell has never touched that kind of $ to begin with and is hoping to cash out on Khan while fighting Jones and Gavins.





Oh yeah, discussing boxing with a Khan fan.........says the guy who supports PEDs if they are used to beat Khan.