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It's a great idea but if he can't get those fights, testing the waters at 168 is far more reasonable than fighting a guy who has never even been a JMW before. Even fighting a real JMW, while being kinda cowardly, is still better than a WW who was about to make his first legit WW title defense.
Fighting someone like Groves would have been great because it's a well known opponent, very winnable, and haters can't complain because it's a move up against a recent contender who is coming off a win. Didn't have to be Groves, any SMW with a pulse. And, he could still go about MW unification.
Fighting a welter with 1 good win is just sad, I'm every way shape, and form. He's better than that.Comment
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You make a great case. I guess he could still pursue both. I was kind of obsessed with the unification idea. I'd love to see somebody pull it off in this day and age.
At the end of the day, though, it is about the best fighting the best. And while Brook is a solid welterweight, it's very easy to pick the winner of this one. Golovkin is a killer but I would like to see what he can really do. DeGale and Jack and others there would pose more of a threat. I guess even Chavez Jr. with his size, although I see him beating Jr. into a bloody heap.
As far as 175, though, I'm not so sure he can go that high. I said before that Kovalev-Golovkin would be the most bad ass fight ever. That's like Russian tank vs. Russian tank. I'm not one to pay for many PPVs but I'd have to see that live for sure.
Who knows? Maybe he'll take a Groves fight like you say. In the meantime, if Canelo were to beat Saunders in December, then GGG can fight at 168 a few times, make his mandatories and then unify. After that, he could move right on up, having done what he set out to.
And you're right. Of course, fighting Brook doesn't figure into this plan at all. Haha.Comment
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Sure do...but i don't hate them for not doing what i want them to either. It's frustrating, but rarely in boxing does the ideal course of events transpire. I would have loved ggg to fight canelo, jacobs, bjs, or any top 10 mw for that matter. I suspect hearn convinced them there's a lot of money on the table for this. In any case, it's a step backwards for a guy who isn't getting any younger...i don't even see how this helps him secure any money fights going forward.Comment
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Nobody is saying that he's small for MW, but he is a small MW (not sure you get what I mean). He's a natural MW and has been one his pro whole career.
People say he's small because of the now infamous 154-168 line that was said in 2012 - he can make 154 for a big fight. Look at his last 30 day weigh in vs Wade, he weighted 164 lbs. Or compare him vs. most of his opponents at MW. He's weighed less than his opponent the majority of the last 10 fights.
As for Canelo, I personally believe that he is a big MW. Not even joking. He started boxing at such a young age that cutting weight is second nature to him. Why do I think he's a big MW? Look at his weight history. In early 2011 vs. Hatton, he entered the ring at 165. In early 2012 vs Mosley, he was 167. He was a 22 year old kid and he rehydrated 13 lbs. Do you remember what you were like at 22? Your body is nowhere near finishing growing. Hell, just lifting weights for 4 yrs will get you more muscle mass. He stopped posting his weights for a reason. During last fight, Khan claimed that 'Canelo must have been close to 180 lbs'.. I don't buy that, but I absolutely believe that Canelo was at least 174. He looks skeletal during his weigh ins, and HUGE in the ring.
So yeah, when Canelo actually moves to 160 and stops cutting weight to 155, he's gonna be a big MW who will easily rehydrate to 175 or more.Comment
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Never said that. He's certainly not a small MW is what I'm saying and, you're incorrect in the idea that no one is calling him a small MW. I see that here frequently. He's coming in within 2 to 5lbs of his opponents on fight night and many of them aren't as conditioned as him.
Sanchez insists that he could easily handle 168 and 175lbers. I think 175 would be too much but he could certainly handle 168 (some of his opponents have gone there) and I don't think he'd have much problem being a title holder there right now.Comment
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Why is he not a small MW? He was 164 30 days before wade fight. Two months ago this board was full of 'Golovkin can make 154 easily for Canelo' threads. If a 34 year old can drop 6 lbs easily, then yeah - he's a small MW. And like said, he weighed less than vast majority of his opponents.
Sanchez talks crap. Everyone knows it. You can't say 'Sanchez is crazy' but say 'well.. you said he can make 175 let's do it'. He's talking to hype his fighter. Beating 168s and being big enough to fight in 168 are two different things.
Manny can beat many WWs, doesn't make him one.Comment
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Because, as I said, he's almost the same weight as his MW opponents on fight night. 2-5lbs. And, much of that is having less bodyfat than guys like Lemieux, Rubio, Geale, etc. That means he's not small for his division. Why bring up his 30 day when he's weighed 173 on fight night?Comment
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