Comments Thread For: Golovkin's Coach: We Never Expected To Face Canelo

[Citizen Koba]

I completely disagree, I don't think the bold is very likely at all.

The facts are.....
* Canelo demanded 155, and EVERYONE knew it
* Team Golovkin are on public record NUMEROUS TIMES, totally refusing to negotiate on the weight.

Look, they signed Brook in 24 hours because they know they can beat Brook.

If they could beat Canelo at 155, their only response would have been, where do I sign....... they had PLENTY of chances, and plenty of discussions..... weight was clearly the sticking point.

Forget the YEARS of bull**** (anyone from 154-168) forget that stuff.....

1) no way would Golovkin be the same fighter at 154 (or 155)..... they are TOTALLY full-of-****, Mayweather would have outclassed Golovkin at 154.

2) if they could make 154, they would be fighting there, no question

Canelo at 155, was too dangerous a fight...... boxing is risk/reward, and aside from their marketing schtick, Golovkin is subject to the exact same risk/reward decisions as any other fighter..... so they passed.

Everyone knows that weight was the issue...... that 5lbs does matter..... at 155 I definitely back Canelo, no way would Golovkin be the same fighter..... and at 160 I likely favor Golovkin over pretty much everyone, including Canelo..... but I guarantee that fight is a lot closer than people think, even at 160.

WEIGHT matters, but Team Canelo were the only ones who were honest about it.

Well, in part I can agree. I think that if team GGG were confident in beating Canelo at 155 and an offer was actually made by GBP for a fight at that weight then it would make sense to accept it, however ridiculous a CW demand of 1lb over the JMW limit might seem.

And yes, of course it'd be a risky proposition - how risky now we may never know, because as far as we know no official offer was actually made. Despite earlier statements from Canelo himself the indications from Oscar had always been that GGG wasn't a fight they wanted at that time. And why not? Applying the same logic one could assume that GBP also felt that the fight was too risky. Maybe both sides were playing it safe?

Myself I always maintained that a CW of 157 would be a reasonable meeting point and that GGG should be willing to make that concession, beyond that - well, I don't believe it's the job of any fighter to make compromises that'd weaken them to the point at which they're more beatable, and I certainly don't believe GGG is some superhuman who can ignore the rules of normal physiology. I suspect that '154-168' was solely an attempt to leave the door open to a FMJ payday, which can hardly be held against GGG, unless dishonesty and hyperbole particularly upset you.

[aboutfkntime]

Well, in part I can agree. I think that if team GGG were confident in beating Canelo at 155 and an offer was actually made by GBP for a fight at that weight then it would make sense to accept it, however ridiculous a CW demand of 1lb over the JMW limit might seem.

Oh they made an offer alright, that fact is undeniable..... they entered into negotiations on more than 1 occasion, what do you think happened during those negotiation(s)?..... also, Team Golovkin PUBLICLY refused to negotiate on the weight.

And yes, of course it'd be a risky proposition - how risky now we may never know, because as far as we know no official offer was actually made. Despite earlier statements from Canelo himself the indications from Oscar had always been that GGG wasn't a fight they wanted at that time. And why not? Applying the same logic one could assume that GBP also felt that the fight was too risky. Maybe both sides were playing it safe?

Come on now.....

" I will fight you at 155 tomorrow "
~ Canelo

How hard is it to ring Hoya and say " ok " ?

I cannot accept that excuse at all.

There is no point in speculating (making excuses) when the facts are.....
* Canelo said " I will fight you at 155 tomorrow "
* Golovkin said " 160, or no fight "

ALL on public record.

I just cannot understand how that fight died over the weight ?

The guy who said that he can beat anyone at 154 should have jumped on that fight, or at least been willing to negotiate on the weight.

Myself I always maintained that a CW of 157 would be a reasonable meeting point and that GGG should be willing to make that concession

I don't like catchweights at all, but under the circumstances, I agree.

beyond that - well, I don't believe it's the job of any fighter to make compromises that'd weaken them to the point at which they're more beatable, and I certainly don't believe GGG is some superhuman who can ignore the rules of normal physiology.

I agree, good call.

I suspect that '154-168' was solely an attempt to leave the door open to a FMJ payday, which can hardly be held against GGG, unless dishonesty and hyperbole particularly upset you.

That is my problem, right there.

The " anyone from 154-168 " line was an intentional marketing/PR ploy used to enhance Golovkin's reputation among the fans..... and I hate being lied to.

They must have known that line was going to bite them on the ass.

The fact that I have been lied to, and are probably still being lied to, upsets me..... when I first heard that schtick, I actually thought that Golovkin would take those big fights..... but unfortunately, nothing.

Props to you Sir.

[aboutfkntime]

unless dishonesty and hyperbole particularly upset you.

Koba.....

..... Martinez, Cotto, Canelo, Ward, Lara, Mayweather..... ALL proven vets..... have been labelled as cowards and duckers.





..... and yet, truth be known..... ?

[Citizen Koba]

Koba.....

..... Martinez, Cotto, Canelo, Ward, Lara, Mayweather..... ALL proven vets..... have been labelled as cowards and duckers.





..... and yet, truth be known..... ?

Ha ha ha. Indeed. Not by me, however.

And it's perhaps true that I should be more upset by the amount of BS in the sport - and not just from GGG, but I claim the cynicism of my advancing years in defense.

[aboutfkntime]

Ha ha ha. Indeed. Not by me, however.

And it's perhaps true that I should be more upset by the amount of BS in the sport - and not just from GGG, but I claim the cynicism of my advancing years in defense.

no no..... but when you said "unless dishonesty and hyperbole particularly upset you"..... and I confirmed that it did..... you may have thought something like..... stop being soft, and stop getting so 'invested'.....

..... which would be fair enough.....

..... but yea, just explaining why those kind of games really annoy me..... this is my sport, and I have to live with that stuff.

If the fighters that I mentioned above were not being so shockingly disrespected, I would leave GGG to do his thing and pay him no mind...... I am not a hater bro, although I can understand how it looks at times.

[Citizen Koba]

no no..... but when you said "unless dishonesty and hyperbole particularly upset you"..... and I confirmed that it did..... you may have thought something like..... stop being soft, and stop getting so 'invested'.....

..... which would be fair enough.....

..... but yea, just explaining why those kind of games really annoy me..... this is my sport, and I have to live with that stuff.

If the fighters that I mentioned above were not being so shockingly disrespected, I would leave GGG to do his thing and pay him no mind...... I am not a hater bro, although I can understand how it looks at times.

Understood already. I probably wouldn't have even engaged with you if I didn't sense that you've got a deep passion for the sport, even if I do find your opinions on GGG a bit... out there ... at times

And you are right of course, the level of disrespect a lot of these fighters receive is absurd, but yeah, I suppose there was a little bit of that 'calm down, bro' in my post. Me, I just like watching the fights and I do my best to avoid getting embroiled in the ridiculous factionalism that you find on the forum.

[aboutfkntime]

Understood already. I probably wouldn't have even engaged with you if I didn't sense that you've got a deep passion for the sport, even if I do find your opinions on GGG a bit... out there ... at times

And you are right of course, the level of disrespect a lot of these fighters receive is absurd, but yeah, I suppose there was a little bit of that 'calm down, bro' in my post. Me, I just like watching the fights and I do my best to avoid getting embroiled in the ridiculous factionalism that you find on the forum.

peace

[Lester Tutor]

"Honestly, [Canelo] stepping aside is what we expected," said Sanchez to ESPN Deportes.

Cotto step asides doe...

[Lester Tutor]

Well, in part I can agree. I think that if team GGG were confident in beating Canelo at 155 and an offer was actually made by GBP for a fight at that weight then it would make sense to accept it, however ridiculous a CW demand of 1lb over the JMW limit might seem.

And yes, of course it'd be a risky proposition - how risky now we may never know, because as far as we know no official offer was actually made. Despite earlier statements from Canelo himself the indications from Oscar had always been that GGG wasn't a fight they wanted at that time. And why not? Applying the same logic one could assume that GBP also felt that the fight was too risky. Maybe both sides were playing it safe?

Myself I always maintained that a CW of 157 would be a reasonable meeting point and that GGG should be willing to make that concession, beyond that - well, I don't believe it's the job of any fighter to make compromises that'd weaken them to the point at which they're more beatable, and I certainly don't believe GGG is some superhuman who can ignore the rules of normal physiology. I suspect that '154-168' was solely an attempt to leave the door open to a FMJ payday, which can hardly be held against GGG, unless dishonesty and hyperbole particularly upset you.

aboutfkntime

How come Abel and Loeffler never talked about any flexibility to negotiate between 155-160? Lil'G fans claim about offers strictly at 155..how come not one industry article had Abel or Loeffler teasing the idea of 156,157,158,159 at the very least? Lil'G fans claim confidence of him at 155. Let's start with the fact thay Nelo invited Lil'G to 155 in 2015 before he fought Cotto, and Golovkin and his team never even responded to anything below 160 which Gennady said 154 is easy but "who can I fight."

This is the worst fumble by Golovkin to show they're all bullshįt. Caus we saw how bigger Lil'G was against Nelo on fight night. If Lil'G rehydrates to 174 consistently, thenthe theory is already proven how Lil'G would cut and drain 20lbs for a 154 fight as a UFC fighter would and on roids. This is why Golovkin always looks gaunt at weigh ins but his fans refuse the reality because they eventually agree "well as long as they make the weight."

Keep in mind Nelo don't be looking gaunt at his pressers like Lil'G... but Alvarez is a "LHW" even though he's smaller than Golovkin on fight night.

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[Citizen Koba]

aboutfkntime

How come Abel and Loeffler never talked about any flexibility to negotiate between 155-160? Lil'G fans claim about offers strictly at 155..how come not one industry article had Abel or Loeffler teasing the idea of 156,157,158,159 at the very least? Lil'G fans claim confidence of him at 155. Let's start with the fact thay Nelo invited Lil'G to 155 in 2015 before he fought Cotto, and Golovkin and his team never even responded to anything below 160 which Gennady said 154 is easy but "who can I fight."

This is the worst fumble by Golovkin to show they're all bullshįt. Caus we saw how bigger Lil'G was against Nelo on fight night. If Lil'G rehydrates to 174 consistently, thenthe theory is already proven how Lil'G would cut and drain 20lbs for a 154 fight as a UFC fighter would and on roids. This is why Golovkin always looks gaunt at weigh ins but his fans refuse the reality because they eventually agree "well as long as they make the weight."

Keep in mind Nelo don't be looking gaunt at his pressers like Lil'G... but Alvarez is a "LHW" even though he's smaller than Golovkin on fight night.

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As ever your words are strung together roughly according to the rules of grammar and look like there should be some sense to be wrung from them, but yet when I read them I still don't understand what you mean or, at least, what connection you wrote has to what I said.