Comments Thread For: Golovkin's Coach: We Never Expected To Face Canelo

[Roberto Vasquez]

If this was the case then why have they kept pursuing the fight? you got the belt you wanted, but the name BJ Saunders doesn't come up at all. I thought you guys wanted to clear out the division, why are you still pursuing the guy you thought you would never fight in the first place?

"Golovkin would destroy me and you on the same night"

Billy Joe Saunders (talking to Chris Eubank Jr) (it's on Youtube).

BJS will only fight GGG when he wants to cash out until then he'll fight bums

[aboutfkntime]

Always funny seeing these same clowns trash a 164 CW but defend a FKN 155 CW.

Do you guys understand the purpose of a CW?

It isn't to drain a champ to the LOWEST POSSIBLE WEIGHT of a division to try and gain some sort of advantage. It's to meet somewhere in the MIDDLE.

dude, Golovkin got ridiculed because he b1tched out on his "anyone from 154-168" rubbish AFTER pulling a catchweight on Ward.....

..... don't get it twisted willya !

[aboutfkntime]

Hold on, that's not what it said at all. Not expecting something does not equate to not wanting it.

As pointed out by other posters one could use this to claim that GGG wasn't interested in the Ward fight, but then we knew that already.

They knew 100% that refusing to negotiate with Canelo would kill the fight.

They ABSOLUTELY knew that..... so, it was " expected ".

[Citizen Koba]

They knew 100% that refusing to negotiate with Canelo would kill the fight.

They ABSOLUTELY knew that..... so, it was " expected ".

They may have thought that, I honestly don't know, but you can't infer that they didn't want the fight from the information given in this article.

I'm speculating here but I suspect that for all the rhetoric Loeffler would have been willing to agree to a middling catchweight - however we may never know what was said behind closed doors. The only information we have - whether you trust the source or not - is Loeffler's statement that no Catchweight requests were made by GBP before they dropped the belt. GBP haven't issued any statements to the contrary. As with everything though - this can be interpreted as we choose.

[aboutfkntime]

They may have thought that, I honestly don't know, but you can't infer that they didn't want the fight from the information given in this article.

I'm speculating here but I suspect that for all the rhetoric Loeffler would have been willing to agree to a middling catchweight - however we may never know what was said behind closed doors. The only information we have - whether you trust the source or not - is Loeffler's statement that no Catchweight requests were made by GBP before they dropped the belt. GBP haven't issued any statements to the contrary. As with everything though - this can be interpreted as we choose.

Oh, I didn't.

As explained, I inferred that they never wanted the fight because they were totally unwilling to negotiate with the clear A-side.

" my way, or the highway "..... would never have worked with Canelo, and they are well-aware of that fact.

Golovkin is CLEARLY taking the path of least resistance friend.

They wanted the belt, they did NOT want to back up that "anyone from 154-" stuff......

..... they walked away rather than negotiate with Canelo on the weight
* despite the fact that Golovkin said he could do it
* despite the fact that Golovkin would still have been favorite
* despite the fact that would have been Golovkin's biggest payday EVER
* despite the fact that would have given them the biggest exposure they could possibly get now that Pac/May have retired.

It is completely unfathomable that they failed to secure that fight.

Unfathomable..... and yet, they were totally unwilling to negotiate with the star and clear A-side.

And then we see they pick Brook...... so yea, he is clearly taking the path of least resistance, Team Golovkin had no faith at all in Gennady to beat Canelo at 155...... I would just about bet my life that Canelo beats Golovkin at 155, and they know it too..... if they thought they could beat him, they would simply fight him.

[Citizen Koba]

Oh, I didn't.

As explained, I inferred that they never wanted the fight because they were totally unwilling to negotiate with the clear A-side.

" my way, or the highway "..... would never have worked with Canelo, and they are well-aware of that fact.

Golovkin is CLEARLY taking the path of least resistance friend.

They wanted the belt, they did NOT want to back up that "anyone from 154-" stuff......

..... they walked away rather than negotiate with Canelo on the weight
* despite the fact that Golovkin said he could do it
* despite the fact that Golovkin would still have been favorite
* despite the fact that would have been Golovkin's biggest payday EVER
* despite the fact that would have given them the biggest exposure they could possibly get now that Pac/May have retired.

It is completely unfathomable that they failed to secure that fight.

Unfathomable..... and yet, they were totally unwilling to negotiate with the star and clear A-side.

And then we see they pick Brook...... so yea, he is clearly taking the path of least resistance, Team Golovkin had no faith at all in Gennady to beat Canelo at 155...... I would just about bet my life that Canelo beats Golovkin at 155, and they know it too..... if they thought they could beat him, they would simply fight him.

My only actual point was the one I initially made, that this article doesn't really give any information as to whether team GGG wanted the fight or not.

As to why team GGG publicly insisted on the one 160 limit? Well yeah - the conclusion you've drawn that they felt Golovkin might struggle to beat Canelo at the weight of his choosing is certainly one possible reason.

Another is, of course that it might simply of been a negotiating tactic - possibly they believed that they could leverage a larger slice of the pie by offering concessions in weight during negotiation. Or maybe they were so sure that Canelo was not going to fight them at any weight that they simply wanted to make it clear to future negotiating partners that they were not an easy touch - or to not make concessions at this stage that might be used against them in a future Canelo fight.

Another possible reason - and this is my own personal take, was that they believed the fight was unlikely to happen at this time - and this is supported by numerous statements by ODLH, and simply decided it was time to force the issue and bring it to a conclusion one way or another, certainly the repeated acceptance of step asides was doing nothing to further Golovkins career and maybe they simply lost patience and decided it was time to move on.

But yeah. I don't share your certainty that Canelo would beat Golovkin at 155, but it'd certainly give him a better chance and in the fight game these small margins could make all the difference.

Should team GGG have offered Canelo the fight at 155? IDK certainly it would have put to bed any arguments about who wanted the fight and who didn't, but in the eyes of most of the boxing community Canelo - or at least Oscar - are clearly viewed as the party that didn't want the fight so probably it wouldn't have made much difference and could have come back to bite them on the ass.

Finally - the Brook fight. Very disappointing in my eyes. OK I get that there's a lot of money on the table, and that time was running out to secure an opponent for the September date, but damn. I don't generally criticise fighters for their business decisions, after all I ain't the one that's gonna be putting their kids through college but still ...pointless, pointless fight.

[MASTERBX]

Unfortunately, we don't expect much from you nor lil g anymore.

[aboutfkntime]

My only actual point was the one I initially made, that this article doesn't really give any information as to whether team GGG wanted the fight or not.

As to why team GGG publicly insisted on the one 160 limit? Well yeah - the conclusion you've drawn that they felt Golovkin might struggle to beat Canelo at the weight of his choosing is certainly one possible reason.

Another is, of course that it might simply of been a negotiating tactic - possibly they believed that they could leverage a larger slice of the pie by offering concessions in weight during negotiation. Or maybe they were so sure that Canelo was not going to fight them at any weight that they simply wanted to make it clear to future negotiating partners that they were not an easy touch - or to not make concessions at this stage that might be used against them in a future Canelo fight.

Another possible reason - and this is my own personal take, was that they believed the fight was unlikely to happen at this time - and this is supported by numerous statements by ODLH, and simply decided it was time to force the issue and bring it to a conclusion one way or another, certainly the repeated acceptance of step asides was doing nothing to further Golovkins career and maybe they simply lost patience and decided it was time to move on.

But yeah. I don't share your certainty that Canelo would beat Golovkin at 155, but it'd certainly give him a better chance and in the fight game these small margins could make all the difference.

Should team GGG have offered Canelo the fight at 155? IDK certainly it would have put to bed any arguments about who wanted the fight and who didn't, but in the eyes of most of the boxing community Canelo - or at least Oscar - are clearly viewed as the party that didn't want the fight so probably it wouldn't have made much difference and could have come back to bite them on the ass.

Finally - the Brook fight. Very disappointing in my eyes. OK I get that there's a lot of money on the table, and that time was running out to secure an opponent for the September date, but damn. I don't generally criticise fighters for their business decisions, after all I ain't the one that's gonna be putting their kids through college but still ...pointless, pointless fight.

I completely disagree, I don't think the bold is very likely at all.

The facts are.....
* Canelo demanded 155, and EVERYONE knew it
* Team Golovkin are on public record NUMEROUS TIMES, totally refusing to negotiate on the weight.

Look, they signed Brook in 24 hours because they know they can beat Brook.

If they could beat Canelo at 155, their only response would have been, where do I sign....... they had PLENTY of chances, and plenty of discussions..... weight was clearly the sticking point.

Forget the YEARS of bull**** (anyone from 154-168) forget that stuff.....

1) no way would Golovkin be the same fighter at 154 (or 155)..... they are TOTALLY full-of-****, Mayweather would have outclassed Golovkin at 154.

2) if they could make 154, they would be fighting there, no question

Canelo at 155, was too dangerous a fight...... boxing is risk/reward, and aside from their marketing schtick, Golovkin is subject to the exact same risk/reward decisions as any other fighter..... so they passed.

Everyone knows that weight was the issue...... that 5lbs does matter..... at 155 I definitely back Canelo, no way would Golovkin be the same fighter..... and at 160 I likely favor Golovkin over pretty much everyone, including Canelo..... but I guarantee that fight is a lot closer than people think, even at 160.

WEIGHT matters, but Team Canelo were the only ones who were honest about it.

[UNBIASED BOXING]

If you turned down Ward in 36 minutes, but you already "expected" Canelo to vacate, which means you also "expected" not to fight Canelo in 2016, then you not only ducked Andre Ward, you ran from Andre Ward with your tail tucked between your legs!!! That's a bit*h move!!!

Wow, Floyd must be a ***** for not fighting Lara despite him calling out Floyd.

Pacquiao must also be a ***** for not fighting Canelo too, right?

Or maybe, Rigondeaux is also a ***** for not fighting Lomachenko?



NSB logic applied to similar circumstances

[Bronx2245]

Wow, Floyd must be a ***** for not fighting Lara despite him calling out Floyd.

Pacquiao must also be a ***** for not fighting Canelo too, right?

Or maybe, Rigondeaux is also a ***** for not fighting Lomachenko?



NSB logic applied to similar circumstances

Floyd didn't fight Lara, but he fought Oscar @ 154, Cotto @ 154, Canelo @ 152, and beat them all! Pacquiao didn't fight Canelo, but he fought Margarito @ 150, and started from 130? Don't put GGG in the same sentence until he does what others before him have done! He's not there yet, and Brook brings him no closer! At least Canelo fought Mayweather, Cotto, and Lara, which is more than we can say about a lot of fighters, and he's only 25!