Multi-weight champs vs. Undisputed champs?

[The Big Dunn]

Oscar eventually moving up to 154 and 160, that's worth praising. He took risks against bigger fighters that he didn't have to. Oscar moving up to 140 and 147 because he was monstrous for lower weights? Not so much.

Yet it's always looked at as somehow more courageous to move up than stay in one division, when most fighters move up because they have no choice. Having the discipline to stay in one division making weight is just as praiseworthy as the guys who can't stay in shape and move up because of that.

Agreed. It's much harder to train and stay in shape year around then it is to eat and party and fight at whatever weight.

Imagine praising Chavez Jr. for "moving up" while criticizing Hagler for staying at 160.

[The Big Dunn]

So would you agree that Shane jumping up to WW from LW to beat Oscar was bigger than B-Hop beating Oscar for the 4th belt?

Yes. Bhop had defeated better MW's then ODH. ODH really should have lost by UD to Sturm.

[Larry the boss]

Well IMO it kind of depend on who they fought. But in todays boxing if a multi weight champ was fighting an undisputed champ, id favor the undisputed champ.

With each division having so many titles in them its easier to grab a title and move up. Look at Broner he was 4 weight champ when he went up against Porter who wasnt undisputed and lost.

To get the undisputed title to your name pretty much means you beat all other champs in the division and created just one champion for that division.

Not true GGG have the WBC,WBA,IBF and only has beaten one current champion in his entire career

[Boxfan83]

Well IMO it kind of depend on who they fought. But in todays boxing if a multi weight champ was fighting an undisputed champ, id favor the undisputed champ.

With each division having so many titles in them its easier to grab a title and move up. Look at Broner he was 4 weight champ when he went up against Porter who wasnt undisputed and lost.

To get the undisputed title to your name pretty much means you beat all other champs in the division and created just one champion for that division.

Yeah Broner and Leo Santa Cruz are part of the reason why I made this thread. Its way easier nowadays to become a multi weight champ vs being undisputed. Hell getting through the politics just to get another champ to fight is a victory in itself. If you look at Manny, he was an 8 division world champ but he never held all four belts, then you look at a guy like Bhop and he held all 4 for years and we haven't had an undisputed champ since.

[Zaroku]

I don't know that one is better than the other. I would base it on who you fought while achieving the goal.

What he said ^^^^^

[boxinghead530]

Not true GGG have the WBC,WBA,IBF and only has beaten one current champion in his entire career

Difference is he didnt beat the champions to get some of those titles, some were handed to him. I didnt say just collect all the titles to get to undisputed. I said beat all the other champs in your division to get that title to your name.

Comprehend what i wrote.

[Boxfan83]

Not true GGG have the WBC,WBA,IBF and only has beaten one current champion in his entire career

GGG aside, lets say KKKovalev, beat Stevenson (and Ward never existed) Kovalev makes 20 successful defenses and retires. Then Broner happens to move up (1 day to JrMw) and beat a Liam Smith (type fighter) for his 5th divisional weight class? Whos better?

[Citizen Koba]

Not true GGG have the WBC,WBA,IBF and only has beaten one current champion in his entire career

Wait... is this supposed to be another GGG thread? How cunningly veiled! You're on fire today Larry.

[Larry the boss]

Difference is he didnt beat the champions to get some of those titles, some were handed to him. I didnt say just collect all the titles to get to undisputed. I said beat all the other champs in your division to get that title to your name.

Comprehend what i wrote.

Thats my point being undisputed seems to not be as hard these days either man

[Larry the boss]

Wait... is this supposed to be another GGG thread? How cunningly veiled! You're on fire today Larry.

Except i didnt make this thread