Comments Thread For: Kovalev's Promoter Says Andre Ward is Very Eager To Fight

[aboutfkntime]

Awful convenient that your list is missing the best fighters Gennady has fought.

The guys that found their nuts and took their shot at the best MW in the world... they were brave. They paid a price, but they were brave nonetheless.

Sturm, Martinez, Barker, Quillin, Cotto, Canelo, Jacobs, Saunders.. they weren't so brave. Ducking, dodging, dropping titles, pricing themselves out. They don't want any, for the same reason any man doesn't want to mix it up with another man. They're shook.

That wasn't a list proving how poor Golovkin's resume is..... that was a list of fighters who Gennady fought, just to give you an example of how silly that "everyone duckin me doe" line is.....
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stop drinking the koolaid.....

They are fighting the guys who they want to fight, and they are avoiding the guy who they don't want to fight..... just like everyone else.

They just selected Kell Brook ffs.

1) they got caught lying about the offer to Saunders
2) Jacobs is on record saying that their offer was poor
3) they totally refused to negotiate with Cotto on the weight
4) they refused to fight Ward/Mora/Lara/Canelo

The guy who did all that, is NOT being avoided.

You are drinking their koolaid.

Enjoy the Brook fight.

[Boxing Logic]

I bet you thought Pacquiao was just gonna walk through Mayweather.

Smarten up.

..... did **** just get real for you ?

What do mean get real?

As for Pacquiao, you said stop projecting my fears on Ward, well stop projecting Mayweather's fears on me. It was Mayweather who said he didn't want to fight prime Pacquiao because he was worried about his health and didn't want to walk with a limp later in life due to brain damage. The thin excuse people gave for this comment by him was that he was talking about fears of fighting roided Pacquiao, not a fair fight with Pacquiao, but he had no proof Pacquiao was roided, so what he was really saying was he was scared the Pacquiao we all saw, that everyone else was willing to fight as is, could have given him permanent brain damage.

And now it's come out that Floyd flushed his system to get around tests after the Pacquiao fight, so how can you say you're scared of getting beat so bad you walk with a limp because another fighter has an unfair advantage from cheating, if you're actually the one cheating? It's clear Pacquiao would have run through Floyd, and Floyd knew it too. Their even fight with old Pacquiao wobbling Floyd just proved it for everyone. If old Pacquiao wobbles Floyd, prime Pacquiao KOs him within 3. But Floyd made sure we never got to find out, and I'm sure as a Floyd nuthugger, you're happy about that, because you'd rather see bad fights than good fights, which also explains why you like Andre Ward.

I honestly did think Ward was scared of fighting Kovalev because he's never faced a top fighter in their prime his whole career, he just fought in a really weak division, and when HBO wanted him to fight GGG, he said he needed 2-3 more tuneups. Since he was scared to fight GGG without tuneups, I highly doubted he would want to fight Kovalev. But I think what happened is HBO told him they wouldn't air his fights anymore if he didn't sign to fight Kovalev at the end of his contract, plus Roc Nation came in and offered him big money to do it, so he said what the hell, now it's worth my while to dare to be great if I get a big payday and the alternative is fighting on BET. He had negative incentive and positive incentive to do it, and getting pushed to do it from both sides is what got him to agree, in my opinion.

But the fight still hasn't happened yet, and I'm still worried he'll drop out. Like I said he hasn't fought a top guy in their prime his whole career, so you always have that doubt in your mind, but so far so good. If he actually goes through with a fight against a top, prime fighter in November, then you and I will agree 100% and we can say it together: aboutfkntime

I'm honestly curious though, why are you a Ward fan? I'm a fan of GGG and Kovalev because they constantly call out all the top fighters in their division, fight the best ones who will fight them, have fought regularly for years, travel anywhere to fight whoever will fight them, don't hold or foul or cheat the rules, don't make diva demands, and have extremely entertaining, action styles, but also tons of skill, and they get ducked all the time.

I agree Ward is also an excellent fighter, very close to Kovalev and GGG on the P4P list, but he doesn't always call out the best in his division, he doesn't have an action style, he hasn't fought regularly for years, he doesn't travel anywhere to fight the best, and he does hold and bend the rules frequently.

So it seems to me if you were an objective fan who didn't have internal biases, you would prefer Kovalev and GGG too. It's just logical. When comparing these three fighters, in terms of being elite, skilled fighters, you can say Ward is just as good, so I get why you'd like Ward just as much for those reasons, but then all the other categories, GGG and Kovalev clearly have an advantage, as I just listed, so if you were actually objective, you would definitely prefer them too. So I have to assume if you like Ward more, you have some sort of internal bias. Same with Pacquiao vs Floyd. Both were elite, skilled fighters, but one fought in amazing fight of the year fights, one held and fouled a lot. One always called for the fight, one always tried to delay it. One beat up women outside the ring, one didn't. So unless you had some sort of internal bias that made you prefer Floyd by default, any objective boxing fan would have preferred Pacquiao. But the fact you seem to prefer both Floyd and Ward when all the facts say an objective person wouldn't... I mean, one time is a coincidence, but twice is a pattern, so that tells me with almost 100% certainty that you have a big bias that is causing you to root for boring, risk adverse fighters who hold and cheat and don't fight often. I have no idea what that could be, but obviously something is going on.

[Boxing Logic]

Ward is no coward like Golovkin, he'll fight.

After 2-3 tuneups, I agree, he'll a schedule a fight. We'll find out by November if he'll really fight. Maybe he scheduled to fight Kovalev in November, and Wilder delayed the Povetkin fight until later this year, because both Ward and Wilder have gotten pro tips from the Illuminati that Russia and the U.S. will have diplomatic issues by November, and U.S. athletes won't be allowed to compete with Russian athletes by then. You just never know That could be Ward's plan to get out of the fight. I'll believe he's fighting Kovalev once he fights Kovalev.

[aboutfkntime]

What do mean get real?

As for Pacquiao, you said stop projecting my fears on Ward, well stop projecting Mayweather's fears on me. It was Mayweather who said he didn't want to fight prime Pacquiao because he was worried about his health and didn't want to walk with a limp later in life due to brain damage. The thin excuse people gave for this comment by him was that he was talking about fears of fighting roided Pacquiao, not a fair fight with Pacquiao, but he had no proof Pacquiao was roided, so what he was really saying was he was scared the Pacquiao we all saw, that everyone else was willing to fight as is, could have given him permanent brain damage.

And now it's come out that Floyd flushed his system to get around tests after the Pacquiao fight, so how can you say you're scared of getting beat so bad you walk with a limp because another fighter has an unfair advantage from cheating, if you're actually the one cheating? It's clear Pacquiao would have run through Floyd, and Floyd knew it too. Their even fight with old Pacquiao wobbling Floyd just proved it for everyone. If old Pacquiao wobbles Floyd, prime Pacquiao KOs him within 3. But Floyd made sure we never got to find out, and I'm sure as a Floyd nuthugger, you're happy about that, because you'd rather see bad fights than good fights, which also explains why you like Andre Ward.

I honestly did think Ward was scared of fighting Kovalev because he's never faced a top fighter in their prime his whole career, he just fought in a really weak division, and when HBO wanted him to fight GGG, he said he needed 2-3 more tuneups. Since he was scared to fight GGG without tuneups, I highly doubted he would want to fight Kovalev. But I think what happened is HBO told him they wouldn't air his fights anymore if he didn't sign to fight Kovalev at the end of his contract, plus Roc Nation came in and offered him big money to do it, so he said what the hell, now it's worth my while to dare to be great if I get a big payday and the alternative is fighting on BET. He had negative incentive and positive incentive to do it, and getting pushed to do it from both sides is what got him to agree, in my opinion.

But the fight still hasn't happened yet, and I'm still worried he'll drop out. Like I said he hasn't fought a top guy in their prime his whole career, so you always have that doubt in your mind, but so far so good. If he actually goes through with a fight against a top, prime fighter in November, then you and I will agree 100% and we can say it together: aboutfkntime

I'm honestly curious though, why are you a Ward fan? I'm a fan of GGG and Kovalev because they constantly call out all the top fighters in their division, fight the best ones who will fight them, have fought regularly for years, travel anywhere to fight whoever will fight them, don't hold or foul or cheat the rules, don't make diva demands, and have extremely entertaining, action styles, but also tons of skill, and they get ducked all the time.

I agree Ward is also an excellent fighter, very close to Kovalev and GGG on the P4P list, but he doesn't always call out the best in his division, he doesn't have an action style, he hasn't fought regularly for years, he doesn't travel anywhere to fight the best, and he does hold and bend the rules frequently.

So it seems to me if you were an objective fan who didn't have internal biases, you would prefer Kovalev and GGG too. It's just logical. When comparing these three fighters, in terms of being elite, skilled fighters, you can say Ward is just as good, so I get why you'd like Ward just as much for those reasons, but then all the other categories, GGG and Kovalev clearly have an advantage, as I just listed, so if you were actually objective, you would definitely prefer them too. So I have to assume if you like Ward more, you have some sort of internal bias. Same with Pacquiao vs Floyd. Both were elite, skilled fighters, but one fought in amazing fight of the year fights, one held and fouled a lot. One always called for the fight, one always tried to delay it. One beat up women outside the ring, one didn't. So unless you had some sort of internal bias that made you prefer Floyd by default, any objective boxing fan would have preferred Pacquiao. But the fact you seem to prefer both Floyd and Ward when all the facts say an objective person wouldn't... I mean, one time is a coincidence, but twice is a pattern, so that tells me with almost 100% certainty that you have a big bias that is causing you to root for boring, risk adverse fighters who hold and cheat and don't fight often. I have no idea what that could be, but obviously something is going on.

Don't be ridiculous, you will not be able to revise history with me pac-tard.

The fight died in Jan 2010 because Pacquiao refused to undertake random blood tests kid..... attempting to blame Mayweather for a decision that was made by Pacquiao, is exactly what the bottom-feeders did back in 2010.

I think you have me mistaken for a casual fan who cares about your silly lil Pac/May war...... but yea, I don't.

Pacquiao inexplicably refused random blood tests, and then he provided a total of 8 ridiculous excuses..... so move on, or I will demand to know which one of those 8 ridiculous excuses you ran with..... and things will turn real messy.

[aboutfkntime]

After 2-3 tuneups, I agree, he'll a schedule a fight. We'll find out by November if he'll really fight. Maybe he scheduled to fight Kovalev in November, and Wilder delayed the Povetkin fight until later this year, because both Ward and Wilder have gotten pro tips from the Illuminati that Russia and the U.S. will have diplomatic issues by November, and U.S. athletes won't be allowed to compete with Russian athletes by then. You just never know That could be Ward's plan to get out of the fight. I'll believe he's fighting Kovalev once he fights Kovalev.

spoken like a typical pac/ggg ****head.

I truly cannot stand you non-boxing f@ggots who post here.

[Boxing Logic]

spoken like a typical pac/ggg ****head.

I truly cannot stand you non-boxing f@ggots who post here.

Yeah why would anyone like Pac or GGG? The most skilled, entertaining combination puncher of the last two decades, and the most powerful, entertaining middleweight of the last decade. What kind of boxing fan would like fighters like that? We should all support risk adverse, low activity domestic abusers and holders like Floyd instead, and tuneup kings like Ward who also hold and cheat.

See I like pure skill in my fighters. I believe fighters with true skill don't need to hold or cheat. They can win on pure talent. That's why I like Rigo. Doesn't hold, just uses pure boxing class to win, the way Pacquiao did, the way GGG does. Ward and Floyd are the opposite of that. I can tell you're new to boxing, you probably got introduced to boxing with Floyd's propaganda about how what he did was the sweet science. If you had more experience with boxing you would know that's just not true. Look how Lomachenko completely dismantled and embarrassed Gary Russell when they fought without using any illegal tactics, just Matrix style defending and angles. Floyd is just a guy with a freakish reach he uses to dominate on the outside, who uses illegal holding to prevent any exchanges on the inside, which allows him to dominate by default. If you have the reach to dominate outside, and the ref lets you cheat to negate the inside, then everything is et up for you to win every time. That's why it was always so easy for Floyd, he had the system hacked.

I don't like cheaters inside the ring like that, or cheaters outside the ring like that. I got a kick out of Flom0s criticizing Alex Ariza then defending Floyd when he hired him. I got a kick out of Flom0s saying Pacquiao used roids, then having to defend Floyd using vampire facials and hiring Memo Heredia. Face it, you are a total hypocrite who likes boring cheaters more than you like real boxers who are clean. Obviously you just don't like white fighters, and you can't stand that GGG, Kovalev, and Lomachenko are three of the top four pound for pound fighters in the world along with Chocolatito. It's sad because I've always rooted for black fighters and I appreciate fighters of any race who fight the best, give the fans good fights, and fight clean inside and outside the ring. But I guess you can't say the same? Otherwise there's no way you would support Floyd or Ward.

[aboutfkntime]

Yeah why would anyone like Pac or GGG? The most skilled, entertaining combination puncher of the last two decades, and the most powerful, entertaining middleweight of the last decade. What kind of boxing fan would like fighters like that? We should all support risk adverse, low activity domestic abusers and holders like Floyd instead, and tuneup kings like Ward who also hold and cheat.

See I like pure skill in my fighters. I believe fighters with true skill don't need to hold or cheat. They can win on pure talent. That's why I like Rigo. Doesn't hold, just uses pure boxing class to win, the way Pacquiao did, the way GGG does. Ward and Floyd are the opposite of that. I can tell you're new to boxing, you probably got introduced to boxing with Floyd's propaganda about how what he did was the sweet science. If you had more experience with boxing you would know that's just not true. Look how Lomachenko completely dismantled and embarrassed Gary Russell when they fought without using any illegal tactics, just Matrix style defending and angles. Floyd is just a guy with a freakish reach he uses to dominate on the outside, who uses illegal holding to prevent any exchanges on the inside, which allows him to dominate by default. If you have the reach to dominate outside, and the ref lets you cheat to negate the inside, then everything is et up for you to win every time. That's why it was always so easy for Floyd, he had the system hacked.

I don't like cheaters inside the ring like that, or cheaters outside the ring like that. I got a kick out of Flom0s criticizing Alex Ariza then defending Floyd when he hired him. I got a kick out of Flom0s saying Pacquiao used roids, then having to defend Floyd using vampire facials and hiring Memo Heredia. Face it, you are a total hypocrite who likes boring cheaters more than you like real boxers who are clean. Obviously you just don't like white fighters, and you can't stand that GGG, Kovalev, and Lomachenko are three of the top four pound for pound fighters in the world along with Chocolatito. It's sad because I've always rooted for black fighters and I appreciate fighters of any race who fight the best, give the fans good fights, and fight clean inside and outside the ring. But I guess you can't say the same? Otherwise there's no way you would support Floyd or Ward.

Pac is clearly a steroid cheat..... posters who think that a vampire facial somehow compares to killing a super-fight by publicly refusing to undertake random blood tests, are dumb as fk..... there are lots of red flags over Pacquiao, the refusal to test...... the absurd excuses..... the timeline..... the unprecedented weight gain...... the inexplicable increase in stamina/output when he was refusing blood tests, and then subsequent drop back to normal when he decided to eventually test..... just all common-sense really.

But one thing for sure is..... a poster who accuses Mayweather of roiding, and yet totally refused to even consider the possibility that Pacquiao was juicing..... would be a special individual..... and we have a special name for them.

Don't be special now.

[Boxing Logic]

Pac is clearly a steroid cheat..... posters who think that a vampire facial somehow compares to killing a super-fight by publicly refusing to undertake random blood tests, are dumb as fk..... there are lots of red flags over Pacquiao, the refusal to test...... the absurd excuses..... the timeline..... the unprecedented weight gain...... the inexplicable increase in stamina/output when he was refusing blood tests, and then subsequent drop back to normal when he decided to eventually test..... just all common-sense really.

But one thing for sure is..... a poster who accuses Mayweather of roiding, and yet totally refused to even consider the possibility that Pacquiao was juicing..... would be a special individual..... and we have a special name for them.

Don't be special now.

Man you have no reading comprehension. I never "totally refused to even consider" the possibility that Pacquiao was juicing. In my opinion they are all juicing. But just like you said there are red flags Pac was juicing, there were just as many red flags that Mayweather was juicing. That's the point, and why the drug test bull**** is an an excuse. If you're Mayweather, and you're juicing, how can you kill a fight because your opponent might be juicing? You're both juicing so just fight.

The drug testing was never about cleaning up the sport, it was about Mayweather ducking the fight. If you have a functioning brain, you can figure that out from the fact Pacquiao agreed to blood testing years ago and Mayweather just came up with new excuses and still delayed the fight I think another 3-4 years. How do you explain that lol? How do you explain Floyd giving an interview after the May-Pac fight saying he simply "wasn't ready" back then because you have to wait for the right "timing." Code: I ducked the fight back then, it had nothing to do with drug testing, but now I made more money and I "won," so it worked out great for me!

Hell, it definitely worked out great for Mayweather. But that doesn't mean he didn't duck and rob boxing fans of the best fight of the century. Your only excuse for him ducking Pacquiao is that Pacquiao may have been roided, but if Floyd was roided too how is that an excuse? The fact is you have just as much evidence Floyd was doping as Pacquiao was, so why are you being inconsistent? That's again why it's clear you have a bias, because you're logically inconsistent. We know most fighters dope and Pacquiao and Mayweather were the two best fighters on the planet. How are you going to dominate a sport full of dopers if you're not also doping? That's like someone hitting more HRs than Barry Bonds without doping. It's very far fetched. If someone hits 80 HRs, and it took steroids for Bonds to hit 70, then you have to assume it takes steroids for the other guy to hit 80.

That's why I say Floyd totally discredited himself. Maybe back in 2009, if you were dumb, you could have believed Floyd that it was about making the fight safe for him, because Pacquiao had Ariza, and cleaning up the sport. But after admitting to vampire facials, hiring Ariza, hiring Heredia, rumors of covered up dirty A sample tests, and the illegal IVs later given TUEs for, you'd have to be an idiot not to realize there's some Lance Armstrong bullisht going on here. Also the fact that J'Leon Love popped dirty, as well as other Mayweather gym fighters, and the fact that Mayweather pushed for USADA instead of VADA when USADA never catches anyone, all tell you what's up if your eyes are open.

So to use PED testing as an excuse to avoid a fight, when you're using PEDs yourself, is the ultimate hypocrite, ducker move, period.

[aboutfkntime]

Man you have no reading comprehension. I never "totally refused to even consider" the possibility that Pacquiao was juicing. In my opinion they are all juicing. But just like you said there are red flags Pac was juicing, there were just as many red flags that Mayweather was juicing. That's the point, and why the drug test bull**** is an an excuse. If you're Mayweather, and you're juicing, how can you kill a fight because your opponent might be juicing? You're both juicing so just fight.

The drug testing was never about cleaning up the sport, it was about Mayweather ducking the fight. If you have a functioning brain, you can figure that out from the fact Pacquiao agreed to blood testing years ago and Mayweather just came up with new excuses and still delayed the fight I think another 3-4 years. How do you explain that lol? How do you explain Floyd giving an interview after the May-Pac fight saying he simply "wasn't ready" back then because you have to wait for the right "timing." Code: I ducked the fight back then, it had nothing to do with drug testing, but now I made more money and I "won," so it worked out great for me!

Hell, it definitely worked out great for Mayweather. But that doesn't mean he didn't duck and rob boxing fans of the best fight of the century. Your only excuse for him ducking Pacquiao is that Pacquiao may have been roided, but if Floyd was roided too how is that an excuse? The fact is you have just as much evidence Floyd was doping as Pacquiao was, so why are you being inconsistent? That's again why it's clear you have a bias, because you're logically inconsistent. We know most fighters dope and Pacquiao and Mayweather were the two best fighters on the planet. How are you going to dominate a sport full of dopers if you're not also doping? That's like someone hitting more HRs than Barry Bonds without doping. It's very far fetched. If someone hits 80 HRs, and it took steroids for Bonds to hit 70, then you have to assume it takes steroids for the other guy to hit 80.

That's why I say Floyd totally discredited himself. Maybe back in 2009, if you were dumb, you could have believed Floyd that it was about making the fight safe for him, because Pacquiao had Ariza, and cleaning up the sport. But after admitting to vampire facials, hiring Ariza, hiring Heredia, rumors of covered up dirty A sample tests, and the illegal IVs later given TUEs for, you'd have to be an idiot not to realize there's some Lance Armstrong bullisht going on here. Also the fact that J'Leon Love popped dirty, as well as other Mayweather gym fighters, and the fact that Mayweather pushed for USADA instead of VADA when USADA never catches anyone, all tell you what's up if your eyes are open.

So to use PED testing as an excuse to avoid a fight, when you're using PEDs yourself, is the ultimate hypocrite, ducker move, period.

There were not " just as many red-flags " at all..... that is bull****.

Props to you for admitting the truth, but attempting to equate the red-flags is stretching to say the least.

Mayweather had 1 APPROVED TUE...... EVER! And that situation was investigated. The APPROVED TUE proves that the issue was a one-off.

Not even slightly similar, or even close, to the situation with Pac.

Honestly, leave it...... because Pac will get shredded and it will unnecessarily open up a whole lot of old wounds..... I am definitely the wrong guy for you to try this on, just leave it.

[aboutfkntime]

Last warning..... LEAVE IT !

This has been done to death, but not by anyone better than me.

I would prefer to move on, but it will take me 3 minutes to cut n paste a page full of old research/links.