Which fighters in history do you feel would have beat Mayweather without being biased

[DJ Enerate]

Hagler. Sugar Ray Leonard would be 50-50.

Can't see many others. The old timers didn't have the training Mayweather had. He abuses Duran. Hearrns has a punchers chance.

"Mayweather abuses Duran" lol

I've heard it all now.

[DJ Enerate]

I'll add Jose Napoles.

[Derranged]

Prime margarito, hatton with a fair ref, maidana and castillo already beat him...

Margarito-- nope

Hatton with a fair ref-- meaning one who allowed Hatton to constantly hold and hit?

Maidana and Castillo lost.

**** list you made. Try again.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Lots of fighters could beat floyd depending on the weight..

I'm not sure he could beat guys like napoles, forest at welter for instance

[Sugar Adam Ali]

I'll add Jose Napoles.

You beat me to it,, I was thinking the same thing

[muslimer12]

prime Pacquiao, duran, Leonard, Robinson, Chavez sr, Hearns, sanchez, Armstrong, prime oscar would be 50/50,and maybe sweat pea

[Sadiqkingofko]

No one

Mayweathers defense, adaptation ability and general ring intelligence are too much for anyone in boxing history.

Maybe a prime Henry Armstrong, a prime Salvador Sanchez and a prime Ray Robinson could beat a prime Floyd but I would still put my money on Floyd.

IMO, Floyd is P4P the best boxer that ever lived. I'm not trolling here. I just don't see anyone beating a prime Floyd.

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[ADP02]

LOL I love Paul Williams, we from the same area but come on son. Carlos Quitana schooled him in the first fight. Dude couldn't get out of the way of a straight right hand. As far as Floyd not having a punch, that could be true but then wouldn't people have just straight up mauled him every fight i.e. Paulie M ? I think Floyd has another power to keep guys honest and rethink their game plans. I've spared with guys that were just so damn sneaky with their right hand they force you to readjust even when you think you got them figured out. By the end of the session, your like WTF just happened?!?! Floyd in any era woulda held his own. He may would have took a few L's from the likes of Duran and Hearns. but I think we would still be an all time great, Top 15 fighter. All the fighters that we think would beat Floyd had flaws that Floyd would have adjusted too. Just my opinion as I got Paul Williams as my P4p number 1

Williams had some problems against southpaws. His losses all came against southpaws. Floyd is no southpaw.

Even then, Williams still KOd Quintana and did well against Martinez until that KO. When you risk it, you will lose some of those risky fights. Floyd tried his best to remove risk from the equation before entering into his fights.

[Tony Trick-Pony]

You have a point regarding the jab, but if that was the case, he would have surely lost a fight eventually. I don't think its that easy as he would eventually time the jab and counter with the straight right. Not totally disagreeing with you, but would like to hear your response as I've heard many people say the same thing.

Oh I agree with you on that. He countered the jab from several opponents and often times, they abandoned it. However, I saw very few opponents actually use the jab to keep Mayweather punching and making him engage down the course of the whole fight. One thing about his style was that it relied a lot on counterpunching which is fine but makes for fights with little action. If you have a fighter who continually pumped that jab at him, it would definitely take a toll over the course of the fight. I noticed that most of his opponents were not usually boxers or jabbers. Sugar Ray Leonard jabbed another counterpuncher in Wilfred Benitez over and over and ended up stopping him. Benitez and Mayweather were very different fighters of course, but when you have a guy wanting to counter punch you all night, this is the basic way to beat him. But think about who he faced, especially the last half of his career- Maidana(who did use his jab some and had success when he did; should have done more), Berto(not much of a jab; looking for big shots which Mayweather can avoid all night), Pacquiao(not a bad jab by any means but more of a finder and didn't really use it, more of a flurry guy), Marquez(another, smaller, counterpuncher, tailor made for Maryweather's style; the guy couldn't come forward worth a damn), Guerrero(weak jab, walked straight in; easy pickins), Canelo(not much of a jab, in a way a counter puncher himself and slower and didn't throw enough and couldn't cut off the ring, the list goes on and on; he had youth and power but nothing else), Ortiz(well, it's Ortiz; when he did throw the jab, he did okay but he didn't throw enough and was most likely looking for an excuse to quit as he often does). I mean, these guys didn't have anything close to a good jab and I'll throw Mosley in there, too. Mosely liked to throw hard punches and could box when he wanted to, but he looked like he went to sleep in that fight and that's not Mayweather's fault, but that version of Mosley wasn't going to get it done. Stylistically, Mayweather didn't face guys who were known to ox and have strong jabs as they would have given him trouble, just like DLH did in their fight. Now, as you say, DLH started out with it and then stopped throwing it, possibly due to a counter. But come on now. I don't see that stopping Thomas Hearns or Ray Leonard from pumping that jab in his face all night which they were known to do. It isn't inside fighting or being aggressive or getting Mayweather on the ropes. People misread him entirely. It was the jab the whole time. And a very busy work rate. Look at Calzaghe and Hopkins. Whether you think he won or lost, Calzaghe did better against him than just about anybody aside from the first Jones fight and I credit his jab and work rate. You can't go after a counter puncher with shots he'll see coming. It's the shot that gets fired over and over like a piston. It throws his game off over the course of the fight. And most guys he fought didn't have that much of a jab or would fall into trying to brawl and what not. Mayweather knew what he was doing, style wise, although the DLH was a true risk and could have easily gone the other way. I won't say he didn't take risks. Any one who steps up does. But I'm saying he made sure to avoid certain styles, like Margarito and Williams. George Foreman did the same thing with Jerry Quarry and most likely many others. Yori Boy Campas had to take Felix Trinidad to court to get a fight with him, which Trinidad won, but hey, it's what fighters do. If they see a style they know will give them trouble, they tend to avoid such fights. I'll bet most of them have done it at one time or another, except for Duran, Ali and Toney. I honestly think those three would fight anybody, any style, any place, period.

[ADP02]

Its not only abou twinning. It what some of those fights would have done to Floyd.

Take Margarito for instance. Win or lose, Floyd would never be the same after that fight.

Paul Williams and Sergio Martinez, Manny 2009/2010 in this era. Prime Oscar and Mosley too.

In other eras there are quite a few names ...SRL and Hearns would have beat Floyd.