Comments Thread For: Haye: Only Person Who Can Beat Golovkin at 160 - is Eubank!

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  • Metho_4u
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    #31
    Originally posted by NateHound
    Lemieux's resume was far better than CEj's is.

    "GGG hasn't been in the ring with someone like Eubank." Really? A pressure fighter who can punch, has good reach and good head movement?... Rubio. For **** sake I swear some of you don't watch boxing outside the top 10 guys.

    Stevens and Lemieux have FAR, FAR better power than Eubank yet they couldn't even tickle GGG. Rubio is a far more accomplished pressure boxer than Eubank is. And lastly, Martin ****ing Murray is actually proven to be one of the most durable guys in the sport.

    Eubank brings nothing that GGG hasn't seen. But on the flipside GGG brings something Eubank hasn't seen. World Class Elite talent.

    I think this is going to be an entertaining build up to a one sided beatdown. But I'll enjoy it.
    Stevens actually stung him and backed him off. His plan sacked either way, I'm just saying.

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    • KingHippo
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      #32
      Originally posted by NateHound
      Lemieux's resume was far better than CEj's is.

      "GGG hasn't been in the ring with someone like Eubank." Really? A pressure fighter who can punch, has good reach and good head movement?... Rubio. For **** sake I swear some of you don't watch boxing outside the top 10 guys.

      Stevens and Lemieux have FAR, FAR better power than Eubank yet they couldn't even tickle GGG. Rubio is a far more accomplished pressure boxer than Eubank is. And lastly, Martin ****ing Murray is actually proven to be one of the most durable guys in the sport.

      Eubank brings nothing that GGG hasn't seen. But on the flipside GGG brings something Eubank hasn't seen. World Class Elite talent.

      I think this is going to be an entertaining build up to a one sided beatdown. But I'll enjoy it.
      You just named all the right attributes, but in different fighters. I've known Lemieux since he started his career (we're from the same city) and he's not even recognized as an elite fighter over here. He became persona non grata after he lost to an old, past prime local fighter by the name of Joachim Alcine who wasn't more then a c- fighter at the peak of his career, so its really hard for me to respect his skill set.

      Eubank has the full package. And he's not a frail old man like Rubio was.

      And hes not a pressure fighter neither. He's a boxer who can apply pressure. Maybe he isn't as powerful as Stevens, and arguably Lemieux, but he's far more skilled and polished. And I'd also like to add that this is tbe same man who almost killed Nick Blackwell in the ring, so trying to label him as a pillow puncher is ridiculous.
      Last edited by KingHippo; 07-02-2016, 10:47 PM.

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        #33
        Originally posted by KingHippo
        You just named all the right attributes, but in different fighters. I've known Lemieux since he started his career (we're from the same city) and he's not even recognized as an elite fighter over here. He became persona non grata after he lost to an old, past prime local fighter by the name of Joachim Alcine who wasn't more then a c- fighter at the peak of his career, so its really hard for me to respect his skill set.

        Eubank has the full package. And he's not a frail old man like Rubio was.

        And hes not a pressure fighter neither. He's a boxer who can apply pressure. Maybe he isn't as powerful as Stevens, and arguably Lemieux, but he's far more skilled and polished. And I'd also like to add that this is tbe same man who almost killed Nick Blackwell in the ring, so trying to label him as a pillow puncher is ridiculous.
        I agree, and ironically Lemieux was beaten by Rubio by TKO. Lemeiux was too small for Lil'G and that reach.

        Lemeiux has an effect 1-2 jab going forward, but against a bigger fighter like Lil'G who just moves back easily from those attacks are ineffective. What Eubank has that Lil'G hasn't seen in a while is pouncing offense and followup combinations. Judges will like that as long as Eubank comes in A++ from rugid training to go 12. Conditioning better than ever.

        Stevens is an offensive pocket fighter that tried to box unlike others as if late, but also too small for Lil'G. What Eubank is really good at is his fast 1-3 combo left jab, far better than Lemeiux, but hasn't used it as displayed in his training. He should learn from Lemeiux to just let go with the 1-2 combo jab.

        Lil'G is a conservative fighter, focuses on hunting and only the most skilled back foot counter attackers can neutralize that, which is why they've never attempted Lara. Lil'G is perfect for Lara. Therefore Eubank strategy will have to train hard to adjust. If Eubank by miracle wins just rounds 1-2 on effective work rate, maybe the magic comes out. Had to be super A game that Murray couldn't do.

        It will only be a war if it goes past 8 on conservative boxing. Let's hope 5-3 on the cards favoring Lil'G on the 9th forward. That's when the fight Lil'G fans finally get.

        Eubank is too reckless with combinations he needs to practice on accuracy, looks sloppy as hell, but he does wear down dudes.

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        • HeroBando
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          #34
          Originally posted by KingHippo
          You just named all the right attributes, but in different fighters. I've known Lemieux since he started his career (we're from the same city) and he's not even recognized as an elite fighter over here. He became persona non grata after he lost to an old, past prime local fighter by the name of Joachim Alcine who wasn't more then a c- fighter at the peak of his career, so its really hard for me to respect his skill set.

          Eubank has the full package. And he's not a frail old man like Rubio was.

          And hes not a pressure fighter neither. He's a boxer who can apply pressure. Maybe he isn't as powerful as Stevens, and arguably Lemieux, but he's far more skilled and polished. And I'd also like to add that this is tbe same man who almost killed Nick Blackwell in the ring, so trying to label him as a pillow puncher is ridiculous.
          Its great that Eubank has believers, but it'd be better if they didn't register yesterday.

          Alcine was in 2011 before Lemieux turned 23, right after since confidence draining loss to Rubio. Since then Badou Jack drew with scrub Periban, went life and death with bigger scrub Brand, and got KOed in 1 by a gatekeeper. Look at him now, top 3 at SMw, maybe better. Lots of top fighters have lost to guys worse than Alcine, look at Salido early days. And there's nothing arguable about him punching harder than Eubank

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          • JUNIABOY
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            #35
            I am shocked that the british boxer is rooting for the british boxer...shocked!

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            • thack
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              #36
              I think David's right Jr will give GGG all the trouble he can handle it's just a shame he's not so serious about his own career , after fighting two nobodies and then being matched with a forty five year old fighter it's difficult to take David serious these days.

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              • Metho_4u
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                #37
                Originally posted by HeroBando
                Its great that Eubank has believers, but it'd be better if they didn't register yesterday.

                Alcine was in 2011 before Lemieux turned 23, right after since confidence draining loss to Rubio. Since then Badou Jack drew with scrub Periban, went life and death with bigger scrub Brand, and got KOed in 1 by a gatekeeper. Look at him now, top 3 at SMw, maybe better. Lots of top fighters have lost to guys worse than Alcine, look at Salido early days. And there's nothing arguable about him punching harder than Eubank
                The honest truth is that none of them are very good. Lemieux is a very 1 dimensional fighter that has a lot of holes in his game, so whether you believe that the loss early in his career was due to age an inexperience that's fine, however, he's still not any better...really he's not. Badou Jack? He's good...but not great. DeGale also got beaten up in his last fight and really was lucky to win it. Eubank is definitely very green and his own lack of better opposition really has limited his ability to grow. His balance isn't very good, he brings his hands down far too much and is too easy to hit. He has attributes to cause some guys problems, but he's just too wild for me, he's not elite, not p4p material, not that polished of a fight tbh. I think he loses even if his chin keeps him up.
                Last edited by Metho_4u; 07-03-2016, 05:44 PM.

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                • yoshik
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                  #38
                  Never let it be said that the Brits aren't nationalists and stick up for their own. Let's bet Haye and is Eubanks is KOd we never have to hear from this nut bag again.

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                  • yoshik
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                    #39
                    Originally posted by thack
                    I think David's right Jr will give GGG all the trouble he can handle it's just a shame he's not so serious about his own career , after fighting two nobodies and then being matched with a forty five year old fighter it's difficult to take David serious these days.
                    Wow, now Eubanks is elite. Are you high??

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                    • Phatfarm1980
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                      #40
                      Originally posted by KingHippo
                      Is it really that far fetched?

                      From the way I see it, Eubank has the perfect
                      style to fight Golovkin. He's tough, gritty on the inside, great uppercut, nice head movement, fight well of the ropes... Golovkin has power, but Eubank seems pretty durable to me.... And he's no slouch himself... Can Golovkin handle pressure? Can he fight against someone who won't back down? Will he be fast enough to even touch Eubank?

                      All we have right now to judge him is an eye test. Golovkin hasn't been in the ring with someone like Eubank (please don't say Lemieux), so it's all just speculation.
                      All these 'traits' you point out of Eubanks have been against a low level of opposition. When you go up in class your traits are not as prominent against a higher class of your opponent. You're only as good as the guys you have beaten!

                      Instead of hypothesizing, I prefer to look at facts.

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