Comments Thread For: Ryabinsky: WADA Has Ruled, Certified Povetkin as Clean

[JAB5239]

Victor Conte, the CEO of SNAC System and BALCO founder who supplied PEDs to athletes such as Barry Bonds and Marion Jones.

“I have no doubt it’s a powerful performance-enhancing drug,” Conte said. “It’s a stamina benefit. You don’t get tired, you just keep rocking. You’d be like the Energizer Bunny during sparring.”

Meldonium enhances an athlete’s performance by creating larger red blood cells while also removing byproducts such as ammonia, carbon dioxide and lactic acid.


I'm going to believe the guy who knows a thing or two about PED's and what they do...

Almost 2 hours and no one has a response to this. Why doesn't this suprise me?

[The Gambler1981]

People usually do something for a reason, if it had little to no effect why bother with it so obviously it did something for the guy and all the other cats that took it.

Saying otherwise is not being real.

[Rath]

NSAC said floyd did nothing wrong and there he was clean

WADA said Povetkin is clean and there he's still dirty.

[_Maxi]

Victor Conte, the CEO of SNAC System and BALCO founder who supplied PEDs to athletes such as Barry Bonds and Marion Jones.

“I have no doubt it’s a powerful performance-enhancing drug,” Conte said. “It’s a stamina benefit. You don’t get tired, you just keep rocking. You’d be like the Energizer Bunny during sparring.”

Meldonium enhances an athlete’s performance by creating larger red blood cells while also removing byproducts such as ammonia, carbon dioxide and lactic acid.


I'm going to believe the guy who knows a thing or two about PED's and what they do...

Almost 2 hours and no one has a response to this. Why doesn't this suprise me?

We know meldonium was used as a PED, but it was legal until 1st january. Athletes are using legal methods to increase stamina and strength. Example, some use viagra.

[JAB5239]

We know meldonium was used as a PED, but it was legal until 1st january. Athletes are using legal methods to increase stamina and strength. Example, some use viagra.

The point is it is no longer legal yet Povetkin still tested positive. It may have been a trace amount, he may be using a masking agent. The point of the post, to another poster (not you) claiming it isn't advantageous, is that it certainly is an advantage. So if one fighter tests positive and the other does not it is still cheating. I want to see the fight, but there is no way anyone should be blaming Wilder. And for the record, I think Povetkin beats him no matter what. I'm rooting for Wilder, but there is no way I would put money on him. Should this call into question Sasha's past victories they way Margarito's are now questioned because of his cheating? I'm not sure. What I do know is that an unfair advantage is still an unfair advantage.

[_Maxi]

The point is it is no longer legal yet Povetkin still tested positive. It may have been a trace amount, he may be using a masking agent. The point of the post, to another poster (not you) claiming it isn't advantageous, is that it certainly is an advantage. So if one fighter tests positive and the other does not it is still cheating. I want to see the fight, but there is no way anyone should be blaming Wilder. And for the record, I think Povetkin beats him no matter what. I'm rooting for Wilder, but there is no way I would put money on him. Should this call into question Sasha's past victories they way Margarito's are now questioned because of his cheating? I'm not sure. What I do know is that an unfair advantage is still an unfair advantage.

Yeah I agree but I would also suggest take off that view of "we americans are clean and fair, everyone else is unfair and dirty". Fighters take stuff, even more if they are legal at the moment they take it.

Any way I'm not sure Povetkin is clean. He might be, you have to be ****** to take the drug that is in all the news papers because of Sharapova case. But let's see what happens.

[UNBIASED BOXING]

The point is it is no longer legal yet Povetkin still tested positive. It may have been a trace amount, he may be using a masking agent. The point of the post, to another poster (not you) claiming it isn't advantageous, is that it certainly is an advantage. So if one fighter tests positive and the other does not it is still cheating. I want to see the fight, but there is no way anyone should be blaming Wilder. And for the record, I think Povetkin beats him no matter what. I'm rooting for Wilder, but there is no way I would put money on him. Should this call into question Sasha's past victories they way Margarito's are now questioned because of his cheating? I'm not sure. What I do know is that an unfair advantage is still an unfair advantage.

He was taking it when it was not banned. Which is okay--- that is not cheating. The substance, however, remained in the blood****** for a long time apparently, from what it sounds like. Not a big deal. He's not actively using it since it was banned. It's not an unfair advantage. Wilder could have done the same thing and everything would still be fine. The only thing that matters is if you are actively taking a substance that was already banned--- and he wasn't at the time.


And also, as I've said before:

Blood testing vs Urinary tests are ****ing different. I don't know how many posters here keep ignoring this over and over again. It's like you guys are so stubborn and want to believe what YOU want, rather than the facts.

[Ake-Dawg]

NSAC said floyd did nothing wrong and there he was clean

WADA said Povetkin is clean and there he's still dirty.

Where did WADA say Povetkin was clean? Seems like all they did was extend the March 2016 testing threshold to October. How is that related to Povetkin. Raybinsky is really running the spin cycle on this situation.

[JAB5239]

Yeah I agree but I would also suggest take off that view of "we americans are clean and fair, everyone else is unfair and dirty". Fighters take stuff, even more if they are legal at the moment they take it.

Any way I'm not sure Povetkin is clean. He might be, you have to be ****** to take the drug that is in all the news papers because of Sharapova case. But let's see what happens.

It has nothing to do with being American my friend. I've criticised Hopkins, Jones and Mayweather in the past. Its not so much the fighters, but the establishment of rules. Put a 1 year warning period on any newly banned substance. Get caught after that and you should receive a ban. Anything after during the alloted time needs an asterisk in the record books. May not be perfect, but certainly better than what we have.

[JAB5239]

He was taking it when it was not banned. Which is okay--- that is not cheating. The substance, however, remained in the blood****** for a long time apparently, from what it sounds like. Not a big deal. He's not actively using it since it was banned. It's not an unfair advantage. Wilder could have done the same thing and everything would still be fine. The only thing that matters is if you are actively taking a substance that was already banned--- and he wasn't at the time.


And also, as I've said before:

Blood testing vs Urinary tests are ****ing different. I don't know how many posters here keep ignoring this over and over again. It's like you guys are so stubborn and want to believe what YOU want, rather than the facts.

Who is to say who is masking what? In the spirit of fair play EVERYONE should be testing clean. My argument is that Wilder shouldn't be blamed for this fight not coming off. He did absolutely nothing wrong. What Povetkin did is open to interpretation. The facts are that one guy was clean and ready to fight. The other is a little more murky.